General
| Meeting | |
| General | |
| Date: | August 20, 2016 |
| Location: | ESB Chat |
| Host: | AMK152 |
| Chronology | |
| Previous: | December 28, 2014 |
| Next: | September 4, 2016 |
| Table of meetings | |
The following is a summary of information surrounding a meeting that occurred on August 20, 2016.
Participants[]
- Bureaucrats: AMK152, Nicko756, Spongebob456, ZeoSpark
- Administrators: AustinD-3, AW10, MightyMorphinJon, SonicTheEpic, Squiddleward, Tanhamman
- Assistants: Depth Strider 10
- Chat moderators: Alex.sapre, SpongeFreddy777, TrevorOntario719
- Rollbackers: Cans48, FlyingDutchmen
- Users: ChocolateBrownieBoy, CustardTheWikiBird, Dejavukitkat13, GeorgeBushJr, Go2Rutledge, Greatness The NightWing, Hfmbears, Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls, Jordan2001, Justinian of Byzantium, LaGarola, Lukas Jesse Kierkegaard, Mb13566, Mismagius Star, Nat Peterson, SBCA, TheJasbre202, TheOneFootTallBrickWall, TheThomas5252, Tucker27
Agenda[]
- 1. Chat
- 2. Community
- 3. User rights
- 4. Policies
- 5. Forums
Voting[]
Question 1[]
| Question 1: "What does everyone think about requiring 50+ edits? [to vote]" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status | 
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| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Total: 5 | 0 | 0 | 5 | |
Question 2[]
"2. How many edits should you have in order to vote?"
Cans48: 0
TrevorOntartio719: 0-25
SonicTheEpic: 0
Squiddleward: 0
SBCA: 20
Depth Strider 10: 45
Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls: 25
Jordan2001: 25-35
Nicko756: 10
Mb13566: 30
ZeoSpark: 0
Question 3[]
| Question 3: "What does everyone think about 25 edits as a voter requirement?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Total: 6 | 0 | 2 | 4 | |
Question 4[]
| Question 4: "Edit requirements for voting: yes or no?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Squiddleward (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Adminstrator | ✓ | ||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| ZeoSpark (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Depth Strider 10 (W•C) | Assistant | ✓ | ||
| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| AW10 (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Total: 12 | 0 | 1 | 11 | |
Question 5[]
"At least how many edits should a person have to be promoted to any position at ESB?"
Cans48: 0 total/0 main
Mb13566: 0 total/0 main
SpongeFreddy777: 100 total/50 main
Jordan2001: 50-100
TheOneFootTallBrickWall: 100
SBCA: Unknown/50 main
Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls: 100 total/50 main
Question 6[]
| Question 6: "So for all users, what about 100 edits, 50 of them mainspace to qualify?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Total: 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | |
Question 7[]
| Question 7: "For all promotion requests, should we require that users have a 1-month clean block record? Yes, no, higher or lower?" | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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|
↑↑ | ↓↓ |
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||||
| TheOneFootTallBrickWall (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||||
| Squiddleward (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||||
| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||||
| FlyingDutchmen (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||||
| ZeoSpark (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||||
| Total: 12 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
Question 8[]
| Question 8: "For promotion requests, should we require that user be on ESB at least 1 month in order to qualify?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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|
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| Squiddleward (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| TheOneFootTallBrickWall (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| ZeoSpark (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| Depth Strider 10 (W•C) | Assistant | ✓ | ||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| SpongeFreddy777 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Total: 12 | 11 | 0 | 1 | |
Question 9[]
| Question 9: "Should we require questions (different for each position) to be answered for all requests? Yes or no?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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|
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| TheOneFootTallBrickWall (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| SpongeFreddy777 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Depth Strider 10 (W•C) | Assistant | ✓ | ||
| FlyingDutchmen (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| ZeoSpark (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| Spongebob456 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| AustinD-3 (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Total: 16 | 14 | 1 | 1 | |
Question 10[]
| Question 10: "Should admin and bureaucrat requests require a 2 step process, concerns (5 days) and voting stage (7 days)?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| AustinD-3 (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| Squiddleward (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| TheOneFootTallBrickWall (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| FlyingDutchmen (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||
| SpongeFreddy777 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Total: 14 | 2 | 0 | 12 | |
Question 11[]
| Question 11: "Should we lower the number of days for each stage? Or no 2-stage process?" | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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|
|
↑↑ | ↓↓ |
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||||
| TheOneFootTallBrickWall (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||||
| Squiddleward (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||||
| FlyingDutchmen (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||||
| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||||
| AW10 (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||||
| Spongebob456 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||||
| Depth Strider 10 (W•C) | Assistant | ✓ | ||||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||||
| SpongeFreddy777 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||||
| Total: 14 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 12 | |
Question 11a[]
| Question 11a: "How about for admins and bureaucrats, 5 days for concerns and 5 days for voting?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| ZeoSpark (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||
| FlyingDutchmen (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| TheOneFootTallBrickWall (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| SpongeFreddy777 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Total: 11 | 0 | 2 | 9 | |
Question 12[]
| Question 12: "Should we require all requests that a majority of bureaucrats must support in order for it to pass?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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| Squiddleward (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| FlyingDutchmen (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||
| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Spongebob456 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| TheOneFootTallBrickWall (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| SpongeFreddy777 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Depth Strider 10 (W•C) | Assistant | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| ZeoSpark (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| Total: 16 | 14 | 2 | 0 | |
Question 13[]
| Question 13: "Rename Moderator to Social Moderator, yes or no?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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|
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| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Depth Strider 10 (W•C) | Assistant | ✓ | ||
| FlyingDutchmen (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Squiddleward (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| AW10 (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| TheOneFootTallBrickWall (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| ZeoSpark (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||
| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Total: 14 | 12 | 1 | 1 | |
Question 14[]
| Question 14: "Should we raise the passing requirement for requests from 70% to 75%?" | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| User | Status |
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| Nicko756 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| TrevorOntario719 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| SonicTheEpic (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Cans48 (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Jackninja5DipperGravityFalls (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| SpongeFreddy777 (W•C) | Chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| Jordan2001 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| FlyingDutchmen (W•C) | Rollbacker | ✓ | ||
| Depth Strider 10 (W•C) | Assistant | ✓ | ||
| ZeoSpark (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| Mb13566 (W•C) | User | ✓ | ||
| Squiddleward (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| Spongebob456 (W•C) | Bureaucrat | ✓ | ||
| Dejavukitkat13 (W•C) | Former chat moderator | ✓ | ||
| MightyMorphinJon (W•C) | Administrator | ✓ | ||
| SBCA (W•C) | Former administrator | ✓ | ||
| Total: 16 | 0 | 0 | 16 | |
Summary[]
- Most users saw that trolls, drama, and badges were the biggest problem on the wiki.
- Underage law was considered to be changed. No consensus really came.
- A definition of trolling and drama is needed.
- The chat moderators are fine.
- An edit requirement for entering chat was considered.
- An overhaul to reporting was discussed, due to not many people using it. It was considered to be a feature of the chat bot.
- A solution to PM trolls was considered. However, nothing could be done.
- A discussion about ignoring trolls was started.
- A conflict resolution system was put to minimize drama.
- Assistant requests need more edits.
- 1 month requirement for voting.
- Voter points were considered depending on the user, but the idea was discarded.
- Voter fraud leads to 3 months of inability to request.
- Friend voting was discussed.
- Except for chat mod, you need 100 edits (50 mainspace) to request. You also need to be on ESB for 1 month, and a clean block record for 1 month.
- When making a request, you are asked questions.
- The majority of bureaucrats need to support a request for it to pass.
- Moderator is now Social Moderator.
- A modification of the percentage needed for a request to pass was considered.
- Time for discussions changed to 5 days concerns, 5 days voting.