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[2016-09-04 18:00:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> The Convention has started!
[2016-09-04 18:00:24] <AMK152> Ok let's start
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[2016-09-04 18:00:29] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Alright.
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[2016-09-04 18:00:33] <Cans48> Ok
[2016-09-04 18:00:46] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ok
[2016-09-04 18:00:54] <Nicko756> Okay.
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[2016-09-04 18:01:01] <Sixkngdm> Okay
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[2016-09-04 18:01:04] <AMK152> First of all, we gathered a lot of feedback from the first meeting. Some of those changes have been put to discussion and others will be soon.
[2016-09-04 18:01:12] <Cans48> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:01:12] <SandySquirrel> :D
[2016-09-04 18:01:15] <SpongeFreddy777> Ok
[2016-09-04 18:01:16] <AMK152> Some of the things to discuss will be addressing those changes.
[2016-09-04 18:01:17] <Sixkngdm> Great
[2016-09-04 18:01:40] <SpongeFreddy777> alright
[2016-09-04 18:01:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Ok.
[2016-09-04 18:01:55] <Cans48> [[User:SandySquirrel|SandySquirrel]], I would like to remind you that we are in a meeting, so no regular chatting will be happening.
[2016-09-04 18:02:00] <AMK152> The major problems at ESB that were mentioned included trolling, drama, and badges. Currently, there is a badges discussion (which is pretty much dead even). I have also developed some policies to combat trolling and drama (such has the repromotion policy).
[2016-09-04 18:02:02] <SandySquirrel> ok
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[2016-09-04 18:02:15] <Cans48> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:02:24] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-09-04 18:02:26] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-09-04 18:02:35] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Sounds good.
[2016-09-04 18:02:45] <Squiddleward> the ^ thing is annoying and causes clutter, don't do it too much
[2016-09-04 18:02:46] <AMK152> Also, like last time, I asked different questions to get a general idea of what to propose. This was because it is better to get an idea of what can pass instead of discussing something for a couple of weeks and then it doesn't pass.
[2016-09-04 18:02:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> [11:02:45] Squiddleward: the ^ thing is annoying and causes clutter, don't do it too much
[2016-09-04 18:03:14] <Cans48> Will you be doing that format again AMK?
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[2016-09-04 18:03:40] <AMK152> For example, I am going to put forth changes to the promotion policy, including requirements. Had I not asked the question, it may have not passed if chat moderator edit requirements were included, thus we save time.
[2016-09-04 18:03:41] <AMK152> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:03:58] <Nicko756> Alright.
[2016-09-04 18:04:11] <SpongeFreddy777> So the new promotion requirements in effect yet? 
[2016-09-04 18:04:13] <AMK152> When I ask a question, I will get some general feedback. When I say STOP, it's not because I am yelling, it's that I have collected the needed feedback and we need to move on to the next queston.
[2016-09-04 18:04:27] <Cans48> Ok good.
[2016-09-04 18:04:31] <AMK152> I have not even proposed them yet, I am waiting for the voting discussion to end because it's all together.
[2016-09-04 18:04:35] <AMK152> Anyway
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[2016-09-04 18:04:54] <SpongeFreddy777> k
[2016-09-04 18:05:27] <AMK152> First of all, a question: given that we want to just ban/block trolls altogether, how has trolling been the past 2 weeks? Has chat moderators and admins taken a more assertive approach to ban these trolls?
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[2016-09-04 18:05:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Lots of socks
[2016-09-04 18:05:46] <Cans48> I have not seen any trolls come in when I am here.
[2016-09-04 18:05:47] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> coming back
[2016-09-04 18:05:53] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Not much trolling I have noticed/
[2016-09-04 18:05:56] <ZeoSpark> Not much trolls lately.
[2016-09-04 18:06:10] <Nicko756> For what I've seen, it has been alright.
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[2016-09-04 18:06:13] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> The main troll has been dealt with, so not that much
[2016-09-04 18:06:14] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I have noticed that trolls usually come in the Summer.
[2016-09-04 18:06:16] <AMK152> good, but just in case, I have come up with a couple of policy additions and need feedback
[2016-09-04 18:06:21] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> OK
[2016-09-04 18:06:21] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Last year, same issue.
[2016-09-04 18:06:27] <AMK152> 1. Refrain from saying things that are not useful to the conversation and continue to interrupt those having a conversation. If more than one person is doing this, those people must take the conversation somewhere else.
[2016-09-04 18:06:27] <AMK152> 2. If anyone is disturbing the chat room environment and not providing anything useful to the conversation which may be considered trolling, chat moderators and administrators can ban the user from chat immediately. Administrators can blocked them infinitely from ESB at their discretion if they feel the user does not provide any positive engagement to the community.
[2016-09-04 18:06:31] <SpongeFreddy777> whoa
[2016-09-04 18:06:34] <AMK152> thoughts on adding these to policies?
[2016-09-04 18:06:46] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-09-04 18:06:47] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I like it
[2016-09-04 18:06:50] <Cans48> I feel like those are already rules
[2016-09-04 18:07:03] <Cans48> No trolling. Results in an immediate ban
[2016-09-04 18:07:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> But we need definitions
[2016-09-04 18:07:16] <Cans48> Which I would also like to bring up that they are not always mmediatly banned
[2016-09-04 18:07:18] <Squiddleward> yes, but these are more specific
[2016-09-04 18:07:20] <Sixkngdm> Yes, it is nice
[2016-09-04 18:07:21] <AMK152> they are kind of unwritten; this puts in more specifics so chat mods are more comfortable taking action, as "trolling" is a very vague definition
[2016-09-04 18:07:21] <SpongeFreddy777> AMK: If you want to talk during a convention, you may do so at SpongeBobia Wiki
[2016-09-04 18:07:51] <Sixkngdm> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:07:58] <Sixkngdm> That is a great idea
[2016-09-04 18:07:59] <AMK152> so any other ideas to making these more specific, because that is really what we need?
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[2016-09-04 18:08:20] <Nicko756> Sounds good, AMK.
[2016-09-04 18:08:24] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I like it
[2016-09-04 18:08:26] <ZeoSpark> Hm...
[2016-09-04 18:08:27] <Tucker27> bruh
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[2016-09-04 18:08:39] <Tucker27> Rules are 
[2016-09-04 18:08:44] <Tucker27> 1.no swareing
[2016-09-04 18:08:44] <Sixkngdm> Tucker please refrain
[2016-09-04 18:08:50] <SpongeFreddy777> That sounds good AMK
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[2016-09-04 18:09:12] <AMK152> OK, how about these for additions to the chat policy:
[2016-09-04 18:09:12] <AMK152> 1. No chat flooding. Anyone flooding chat by coming in and out shall be kicked. It is understandable if you have a bad connection, but note you may be kicked to stop the flooding. Anyone doing this on purpose shall be banned.
[2016-09-04 18:09:12] <AMK152> 2. Do not abuse the chatbot. It's okay to have a little fun with the chatbot sometimes, but if it gets excessive, a chat moderator can kick or ban you at their discretion.
[2016-09-04 18:09:12] <AMK152> 3. Any use of profanity (except hell and damn) will immediately result in a temporary ban from chat.
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[2016-09-04 18:09:31] <Squiddleward> looks good
[2016-09-04 18:09:33] <Cans48> Isn't 1. already a rule?
[2016-09-04 18:09:34] <AMK152> some of these are addressing issues brought up in pre-convention threads
[2016-09-04 18:09:34] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yep.
[2016-09-04 18:09:35] <ZeoSpark> Definitely agree with that.
[2016-09-04 18:09:37] <SpongeFreddy777> wait but what if its a admin or crat
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[2016-09-04 18:09:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I think we should add like 
[2016-09-04 18:09:46] <AMK152> #1 is more specific
[2016-09-04 18:09:50] <Squiddleward> they shouldn't be doing that jersey
[2016-09-04 18:09:53] <SpongeFreddy777> eg: Zeo you doorspam quite a but tbh
[2016-09-04 18:09:53] <ZeoSpark> I never abuse the bot...I rarely use it actually.
[2016-09-04 18:09:56] <TheThomas5252> Those rules sound good to me.
[2016-09-04 18:10:05] <Cans48> Zeo does doorpspam a lot.
[2016-09-04 18:10:05] <ZeoSpark> Jersey, I don't do it on purpose.
[2016-09-04 18:10:11] <SpongeFreddy777> I know
[2016-09-04 18:10:20] <AMK152> it's basically saying that if you do it to the point that it's disruptive, you could be kicked or banned
[2016-09-04 18:10:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> We need to be like, if you swear then it is a 2 hour ban from chat the first time
[2016-09-04 18:10:24] <ZeoSpark> I don't do it on purpose. You should know by now my internet is odd.
[2016-09-04 18:10:25] <Nicko756> Jersey: That's why plan to have FixAdminKick enabled.
[2016-09-04 18:10:48] <SpongeFreddy777> i would support
[2016-09-04 18:10:51] <Sixkngdm> I have to brb
[2016-09-04 18:10:53] <SpongeFreddy777> ik zeo
[2016-09-04 18:11:04] <ZeoSpark> As long I knowledge that I'm not doorspamming on purpose, then it isn't wrong.
[2016-09-04 18:11:11] <AMK152> that's what I'm saying, for swearing, go right to ban, not kick
[2016-09-04 18:11:14] <Nicko756> http://spongebob.wikia.com/wiki/ESB:Discussions/Enable_FixAdminKick/voting
[2016-09-04 18:11:19] <Cans48> Yes it isn't wrong but it messes up the chat logs.
[2016-09-04 18:11:32] <SpongeFreddy777> okay @Nicko & AMK
[2016-09-04 18:11:39] <ZeoSpark> But I'm not doing it on purpose am I?
[2016-09-04 18:11:42] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> AMK, sometimes, new users don't know the rules on swearing.
[2016-09-04 18:11:48] <Tucker27> yeah
[2016-09-04 18:11:50] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> So a warning should be issued first.
[2016-09-04 18:11:56] <Tucker27> yeah
[2016-09-04 18:12:01] <Cans48> Zeo:I am not saying you are. I am saying that it messes up the chat logs.
[2016-09-04 18:12:02] <AMK152> we can say that chat mods can give warning as they see fit
[2016-09-04 18:12:06] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> We should add the policy link to the welcome message
[2016-09-04 18:12:09] <ZeoSpark> Other users experience that problem. I don't know why you're getting on my case over it when others do it.
[2016-09-04 18:12:15] <SpongeFreddy777> okay amk
[2016-09-04 18:12:20] <Cans48> Brick:It already is
[2016-09-04 18:12:26] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Oh good
[2016-09-04 18:12:27] <AMK152> ok, anything else on chat? These should at least help address many of the core issues.
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[2016-09-04 18:12:44] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Eh, Nope :)
[2016-09-04 18:12:48] <Cans48> Make sure that mods immediately ban trolls.
[2016-09-04 18:12:49] <AMK152> and trolling policies should be prepared for summer 2017 so we can address it head on
[2016-09-04 18:13:04] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yeah
[2016-09-04 18:13:08] <AMK152> ok then, moving on
[2016-09-04 18:13:08] <Cans48> They aren't all to most of the time.
[2016-09-04 18:13:21] <AMK152> Topic: Promotion requests
[2016-09-04 18:13:23] <Cans48> wait I am not finished. I would like my concern addressed.
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[2016-09-04 18:13:43] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I was thinking for promotion requests...
[2016-09-04 18:13:44] <AMK152> what Cans?
[2016-09-04 18:13:51] <Cans48> [14:12:49] Cans48: Make sure that mods immediately ban trolls.
[2016-09-04 18:13:58] <AMK152> Yes, I added that to my notes for the policy
[2016-09-04 18:14:02] <Cans48> Ok then
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[2016-09-04 18:14:17] <SpongeFreddy777> Yeah, I don't wanna go thru 3 kicks
[2016-09-04 18:14:18] <Tucker27> Im not a troll
[2016-09-04 18:14:23] <AMK152> I'm making adjustments to the promotion policy and would like some feedback
[2016-09-04 18:14:26] <Squiddleward> ? nobody said you were
[2016-09-04 18:14:32] <Cans48> AMK: Ok
[2016-09-04 18:14:44] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> people need to wait a while before asking for rights again
[2016-09-04 18:14:46] <AMK152> Adding this rule: Yes, no, comments?
[2016-09-04 18:14:46] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:14:46] <AMK152> Any requestee or nominee editing or removing votes from such a discussion will have their entire request/nomination invalidated and they are prohibited from making such a request for any position for thirty (30) days.
[2016-09-04 18:14:50] <Tucker27> How many hours is the meeting
[2016-09-04 18:14:54] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 1
[2016-09-04 18:15:00] <Squiddleward> yes amk
[2016-09-04 18:15:02] <Cans48> Too long. Make it like 15 days
[2016-09-04 18:15:05] <ZeoSpark> I agree with that.
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[2016-09-04 18:15:07] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes AMK.
[2016-09-04 18:15:14] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I have seen another wiki do this.
[2016-09-04 18:15:16] <ZeoSpark> 15 days? Oh definitely no.
[2016-09-04 18:15:19] <Nicko756> Why was he kicked?
[2016-09-04 18:15:21] <ZeoSpark> That's an odd number btw.
[2016-09-04 18:15:25] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Zeo
[2016-09-04 18:15:29] <AMK152> he was getting off topic
[2016-09-04 18:15:30] <Nicko756> He just asked a question.
[2016-09-04 18:15:31] <Cans48> It matters that it is an odd number?
[2016-09-04 18:15:37] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> When we have too many admins or something, they close off requests.
[2016-09-04 18:15:37] <Cans48> Then make it 16 days then
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[2016-09-04 18:15:51] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> We should close requests
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[2016-09-04 18:15:54] <ZeoSpark> Not literally odd. I mean odd as in weird.
[2016-09-04 18:15:55] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> if we have to many
[2016-09-04 18:16:00] <AMK152> 30 days is not too long for someone who deliberately removed votes
[2016-09-04 18:16:03] <Cans48> How is it weird?
[2016-09-04 18:16:06] <Cans48> Please elaborate
[2016-09-04 18:16:08] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I'm good with 30.
[2016-09-04 18:16:12] <SpongeFreddy777> 30
[2016-09-04 18:16:14] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 30 is god
[2016-09-04 18:16:15] <ZeoSpark> 30 is good for now Cans.
[2016-09-04 18:16:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> good
[2016-09-04 18:16:20] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:16:28] <ZeoSpark> I don't want to get too off topic with that.
[2016-09-04 18:16:30] <ZeoSpark> Stop what?
[2016-09-04 18:16:39] <ZeoSpark> We're agreeing 30 is a good number month wise.
[2016-09-04 18:16:45] <AMK152> It means moving on to next question
[2016-09-04 18:16:55] <AMK152> otherwise the meeting would last 3 hours
[2016-09-04 18:17:05] <Cans48> [14:16:40] ZeoSpark: We're agreeing 30 is a good number month wise.
[2016-09-04 18:17:05] <Cans48> I was not but whatever.
[2016-09-04 18:17:12] <AMK152> no sense of discussing something we are in agreement (or mostly)
[2016-09-04 18:17:23] <AMK152> How about adding this?
[2016-09-04 18:17:23] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:17:23] <AMK152> Any user that makes an administrator request with less than 200 edits must get support from at least one (1) administrator within three (3) days of the request, otherwise it will end early as unsuccessful.
[2016-09-04 18:17:35] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes\
[2016-09-04 18:17:38] <Cans48> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:17:41] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:17:45] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-09-04 18:17:52] <Cans48> well actually what if the admins are on wikibreak and can't vote?
[2016-09-04 18:17:54] <Squiddleward> wait assistant or administrator?
[2016-09-04 18:17:59] <Cans48> or is it for the participating adims
[2016-09-04 18:18:00] <AMK152> admin requests
[2016-09-04 18:18:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> admin
[2016-09-04 18:18:07] <Squiddleward> because no one would be able to become assistant with only 200 edits
[2016-09-04 18:18:10] <Squiddleward> let alone admin
[2016-09-04 18:18:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yeah
[2016-09-04 18:18:22] <AMK152> edit requirement now is 50 edits
[2016-09-04 18:18:36] <Squiddleward> yeah but realistically
[2016-09-04 18:18:39] <Squiddleward> no one would support
[2016-09-04 18:18:39] <AMK152> right
[2016-09-04 18:18:47] <Nicko756> That should be for all users, not just one's with less than 200 edits
[2016-09-04 18:18:47] <AMK152> it has happened in the past
[2016-09-04 18:18:51] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> An assistant should have like 500 or 700 edits
[2016-09-04 18:18:58] <Sixkngdm> I'm back
[2016-09-04 18:19:03] <SpongeFreddy777> 200 main for assistant
[2016-09-04 18:19:04] <Sixkngdm> No, brick
[2016-09-04 18:19:09] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I was thinking of working on new requirements.
[2016-09-04 18:19:09] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-09-04 18:19:10] <SpongeFreddy777> 500 for admin
[2016-09-04 18:19:14] <Sixkngdm> Nah
[2016-09-04 18:19:15] <SpongeFreddy777> 1k for crat
[2016-09-04 18:19:19] <Sixkngdm> No
[2016-09-04 18:19:22] <AMK152> we will get to requirements in a bit
[2016-09-04 18:19:24] <Squiddleward> this is like what i brought up last time, if a request has 0% support from admins after 3 days it should be closed
[2016-09-04 18:19:24] <Cans48> higher mark
[2016-09-04 18:19:27] <Cans48> but ok 
[2016-09-04 18:19:34] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Squiddle.
[2016-09-04 18:19:36] <SpongeFreddy777> 800 for assistant
[2016-09-04 18:19:39] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:19:40] <Cans48> [14:19:25] Squiddleward: this is like what i brought up last time, if a request has 0% support from admins after 3 days it should be closed
[2016-09-04 18:19:40] <Cans48> From participating admins?
[2016-09-04 18:19:41] <Sixkngdm> No
[2016-09-04 18:19:42] <Nicko756> I agree with Squiddle.
[2016-09-04 18:19:46] <SpongeFreddy777> 1k for admin
[2016-09-04 18:19:47] <SpongeFreddy777> ok
[2016-09-04 18:19:48] <Squiddleward> yeah that's what i meant
[2016-09-04 18:19:51] <Cans48> Ok good.
[2016-09-04 18:19:53] <SpongeFreddy777> yea per squiddle
[2016-09-04 18:20:01] <Sixkngdm> Per Anais
[2016-09-04 18:20:20] <AMK152> ok, I can add Squiddle's idea to the proposal
[2016-09-04 18:20:30] <Cans48> Ok then good.
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[2016-09-04 18:20:48] <Squiddleward> oh and my idea applies to all requests
[2016-09-04 18:21:15] <AMK152> Yes, we can do that
[2016-09-04 18:21:21] <Cans48> Ok great idea
[2016-09-04 18:21:21] <AMK152> How about this:
[2016-09-04 18:21:21] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:21:21] <AMK152> Any user that receives a valid block while having a pending promotion request, the request will automatically be closed as invalid. They will be prohibited from making ny request for thirty (30) days, starting the time their block ends. Any bureaucrat can void this by supporting the request.
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[2016-09-04 18:21:36] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:21:36] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-09-04 18:21:39] <Cans48> They should  able to request after the block ends.
[2016-09-04 18:21:39] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-09-04 18:21:46] <ZeoSpark> Yeah.
[2016-09-04 18:21:53] <ZeoSpark> I doubt it will pass Cans.
[2016-09-04 18:22:00] <Nicko756> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:22:04] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Zeo.
[2016-09-04 18:22:06] <Cans48> Well yeah but still 
[2016-09-04 18:22:14] <AMK152> Excellent. STOP
[2016-09-04 18:22:40] <AMK152> Now, requirements:
[2016-09-04 18:22:40] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:22:40] <AMK152> Requirements for all positions
[2016-09-04 18:22:40] <AMK152> a. At least one (1) month must have passed since the user's first edit.
[2016-09-04 18:22:40] <AMK152> b. User must have a clean block record for at least one (1) month.
[2016-09-04 18:22:40] <AMK152> c. User must have support from a majority of all administrators.
[2016-09-04 18:22:40] <AMK152> d. User must have support from a majority of all bureaucrats.
[2016-09-04 18:22:50] <Cans48> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:22:54] <AMK152> Thoughts on those for all positions?
[2016-09-04 18:22:59] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-09-04 18:23:04] <Cans48> d. User must have support from all participating bureaucrats
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[2016-09-04 18:23:11] <Nicko756> I'm still unsure about the last one.
[2016-09-04 18:23:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Must be active in chat. (Chat mod, soical mod)
[2016-09-04 18:23:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> but yes
[2016-09-04 18:23:28] <AMK152> we are talking all requirements now
[2016-09-04 18:23:29] <Squiddleward> but how would we define that brick?
[2016-09-04 18:23:31] <Cans48> [14:23:05] Cans48: d. User must have support from all participating bureaucrats
[2016-09-04 18:23:31] <Cans48> Thoughts on this?
[2016-09-04 18:23:37] <Nicko756> No
[2016-09-04 18:23:44] <AMK152> Nicko, what do you mean?
[2016-09-04 18:23:45] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> active for "" hours each wek
[2016-09-04 18:23:48] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> week
[2016-09-04 18:23:53] <SpongeFreddy777> hmmm
[2016-09-04 18:23:55] <Cans48> I think calculating that might be difficult
[2016-09-04 18:23:58] <Squiddleward> but how would you measure that?
[2016-09-04 18:24:01] <SpongeFreddy777> not sure about the crat one
[2016-09-04 18:24:02] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> One sec
[2016-09-04 18:24:07] <AMK152> we cannot calculate that
[2016-09-04 18:24:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Chat logs....
[2016-09-04 18:24:19] <Cans48> hmm can I suggest something
[2016-09-04 18:24:26] <Squiddleward> that would be way too hard
[2016-09-04 18:24:33] <Nicko756> If two crats participate, and one supports and the other neutrals, the request can't go through, even if the other votes are all supports.
[2016-09-04 18:24:42] <Cans48> 1. For a chat request to be valid, the user must have been on the chat at least once.
[2016-09-04 18:24:45] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Nico
[2016-09-04 18:24:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Nicko
[2016-09-04 18:24:51] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> sorry
[2016-09-04 18:24:53] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-09-04 18:24:55] <SpongeFreddy777> yeah per nicko
[2016-09-04 18:24:56] <Squiddleward> combing through chat logs is tedious and exhausting
[2016-09-04 18:25:11] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Well thats benched lol
[2016-09-04 18:25:22] <AMK152> Nicko, what if we say majority of bureaucrats who are not neutral?
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[2016-09-04 18:26:04] <AMK152> lag
[2016-09-04 18:26:05] <AMK152> hello
[2016-09-04 18:26:06] <Cans48> what do you think about my proposal?
[2016-09-04 18:26:06] <Nicko756> Still if there are 19 supports, and 1 oppose coming from a crat, the request should pass.
[2016-09-04 18:26:08] <Cans48> allo
[2016-09-04 18:26:18] <ChocolateBrownieBoy>   Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:26:19] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> [11:26:06] Nicko756: Still if there are 19 supports, and 1 oppose coming from a crat, the request should pass.
[2016-09-04 18:26:19] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> i agree
[2016-09-04 18:26:23] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-09-04 18:26:25] <ZeoSpark> Then what's the point in neutral votes in requests where they don't matter?
[2016-09-04 18:26:31] <SpongeFreddy777> ^^^
[2016-09-04 18:26:39] <SpongeFreddy777> i just remembered
[2016-09-04 18:26:40] <Sixkngdm> Jersey
[2016-09-04 18:26:44] <AMK152> if a crat opposes, there is probably a good reason
[2016-09-04 18:26:52] <Sixkngdm> Chill with the ^'s
[2016-09-04 18:27:01] <SpongeFreddy777> k
[2016-09-04 18:27:07] <Cans48> [14:24:44] Cans48: 1. For a chat request to be valid, the user must have been on the chat at least once.
[2016-09-04 18:27:07] <Cans48> What do you think about this?
[2016-09-04 18:27:10] <AMK152> we could say that it can be overruled by 75% of administrators (non-bureuacrats)
[2016-09-04 18:27:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yeah
[2016-09-04 18:27:19] <AMK152> Cans, we are nto talking abotu chat requirements
[2016-09-04 18:27:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> AMK
[2016-09-04 18:27:30] <Cans48> I thought we were talking about requirements in general
[2016-09-04 18:27:34] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Also, regarding the requirements for all positions...
[2016-09-04 18:27:58] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say that they have to be an active user for the last month,
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[2016-09-04 18:28:18] <Sixkngdm> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:28:23] <AMK152> How about this?
[2016-09-04 18:28:23] <AMK152> So: User must have support from a majority of all bureaucrats. If the request fails to do so, it requires 75% of non-bureaucrat administrators in support for the request to pass.
[2016-09-04 18:28:26] <Sixkngdm> That is a great idea
[2016-09-04 18:28:28] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-09-04 18:28:35] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-09-04 18:28:39] <Cans48> sure
[2016-09-04 18:28:40] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:28:42] <Nicko756> Okay.
[2016-09-04 18:28:52] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
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[2016-09-04 18:29:20] <AMK152> it's like in the U.S. the bureaucrats veto, and then it goes back to Congress for a supermajority
[2016-09-04 18:29:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> AMK are we taking a break?
[2016-09-04 18:29:32] <Sixkngdm> Welcome to the convention!
[2016-09-04 18:29:33] <Cans48> a break right now?
[2016-09-04 18:29:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No in a few
[2016-09-04 18:29:45] <AMK152> not yet
[2016-09-04 18:29:46] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I think the break is at 3.
[2016-09-04 18:29:48] <Cans48> oh k
[2016-09-04 18:29:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> k
[2016-09-04 18:30:03] <Cans48> when we get to talking about chat requirements please inform me
[2016-09-04 18:30:04] <AMK152> Ok, Chat moderator requirements
[2016-09-04 18:30:12] <AMK152> I don;t have any suggestions for those
[2016-09-04 18:30:14] <Cans48> I do
[2016-09-04 18:30:17] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I have some.
[2016-09-04 18:30:17] <AMK152> go on
[2016-09-04 18:30:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> me too
[2016-09-04 18:30:27] <Cans48> Same as proposal earlier
[2016-09-04 18:30:31] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Clean chat ban log, active in chat for last month.
[2016-09-04 18:30:35] <Cans48> [14:24:44] Cans48: 1. For a chat request to be valid, the user must have been on the chat at least once.
[2016-09-04 18:30:39] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-09-04 18:30:50] <Sixkngdm> Brownie'
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[2016-09-04 18:30:57] <ChocolateBrownieBoy>  I can send a more on Skype later/
[2016-09-04 18:30:57] <AMK152> how do we define "active" in chat?
[2016-09-04 18:30:58] <Squiddleward> brownie we already went over this, there is no way to define active in chat
[2016-09-04 18:31:01] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Chat mods have to have at leats another chat mod support for it to pass
[2016-09-04 18:31:07] <Sixkngdm> It has to be COMPLETELY clean?
[2016-09-04 18:31:11] <Cans48> AMK: That is why I put has been in chat once.
[2016-09-04 18:31:11] <Sixkngdm> Like
[2016-09-04 18:31:16] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Six.
[2016-09-04 18:31:21] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> For the last month.
[2016-09-04 18:31:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> least*
[2016-09-04 18:31:25] <ZeoSpark> I'd have to say at least be in the chat every other day.
[2016-09-04 18:31:26] <Sixkngdm> Oh
[2016-09-04 18:31:30] <AMK152> Ok:
[2016-09-04 18:31:30] <AMK152> 1. One month clean chat ban log
[2016-09-04 18:31:30] <AMK152> 2. For a chat request to be valid, the user must have been on the chat at least once.
[2016-09-04 18:31:32] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Zeo.
[2016-09-04 18:31:38] <Squiddleward> yes amk
[2016-09-04 18:31:39] <Cans48> Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:31:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-09-04 18:31:46] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say come on chat like 4 days a week.
[2016-09-04 18:31:50] <Sixkngdm> Per Zeo; but unless vacations
[2016-09-04 18:31:54] <ZeoSpark> It doesn't have to be every single day. Just enough to show you're active in the chat.
[2016-09-04 18:31:55] <Nicko756> Per Brownie
[2016-09-04 18:32:05] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I think another chat mod has to support for it to pass
[2016-09-04 18:32:06] <AMK152> Chocolate, are you going to go to the chat log and make sure they were in chat those days?
[2016-09-04 18:32:12] <ZeoSpark> Except like 1 day a week.
[2016-09-04 18:32:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Zeo
[2016-09-04 18:32:26] <Sixkngdm> Brick, I don'tknow
[2016-09-04 18:32:32] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> or admin
[2016-09-04 18:32:37] <Cans48> Per amk
[2016-09-04 18:32:42] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> That'd be hard to do, AMK.
[2016-09-04 18:32:47] <Cans48> Exactly
[2016-09-04 18:33:02] <AMK152> yes, so the requirements I posted, should that be part of the proposal?
[2016-09-04 18:33:07] <Cans48> Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:33:08] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> AMK,
[2016-09-04 18:33:09] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:33:11] <ZeoSpark> Yeah.
[2016-09-04 18:33:13] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:33:14] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:33:22] <ZeoSpark> STOP what? We were agreeing.
[2016-09-04 18:33:32] <Sixkngdm> Zeo
[2016-09-04 18:33:35] <AMK152> it means stop, so we can move on to next question
[2016-09-04 18:33:43] <AMK152> 3. Moderator requirements
[2016-09-04 18:33:43] <AMK152> a. User must be a current chat moderator for at least two (2) months.
[2016-09-04 18:33:43] <AMK152> b. User must have at least one hundred (100) edits.
[2016-09-04 18:33:43] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:33:43] <AMK152> "a" is current, "b" is new
[2016-09-04 18:33:44] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> AMK, I was still proposing
[2016-09-04 18:33:49] <Sixkngdm> Did you read the rules?
[2016-09-04 18:33:55] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-09-04 18:34:00] <Cans48> (100) -> (300)
[2016-09-04 18:34:04] <AMK152> Brick, you didn't propose anything
[2016-09-04 18:34:10] <Sixkngdm> He said if he says 'STOP' he isn't yelling
[2016-09-04 18:34:26] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> If requesting for chat mod, another chat mod or admin has to support
[2016-09-04 18:34:30] <ZeoSpark> I didn't say he was yelling. We can't keep going off topic like this.
[2016-09-04 18:34:33] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Thats my proposal
[2016-09-04 18:34:41] <Cans48> [14:34:01] Cans48: (100) -> (300)
[2016-09-04 18:34:41] <Cans48> What about this?
[2016-09-04 18:34:45] <Cans48> And brick I think that is a rule
[2016-09-04 18:34:48] <AMK152> Brick, that's already part of the "all positions" requirements
[2016-09-04 18:34:51] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Oh good
[2016-09-04 18:34:56] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Cans.
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[2016-09-04 18:35:08] <AMK152> that's a lot for moderator
[2016-09-04 18:35:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> i like 200
[2016-09-04 18:35:18] <Cans48> well moderator for editing and chat
[2016-09-04 18:35:19] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> edits
[2016-09-04 18:35:24] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Just keep 100 for now.
[2016-09-04 18:35:24] <AMK152> currently it is 0 edits
[2016-09-04 18:35:25] <Cans48> then they should be active in editing also
[2016-09-04 18:35:36] <AMK152> raising it up to 100 edits makes it a little better
[2016-09-04 18:35:37] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Moderator is a social position
[2016-09-04 18:35:45] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> and so its not editing
[2016-09-04 18:35:50] <AMK152> threads are edited
[2016-09-04 18:35:54] <Cans48> maybe 200
[2016-09-04 18:35:59] <AMK152> participating in threads are edits
[2016-09-04 18:36:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> IK but not namespace
[2016-09-04 18:36:04] <SpongeFreddy777> hmm?
[2016-09-04 18:36:07] <Nicko756> 100 is good,
[2016-09-04 18:36:08] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> like content
[2016-09-04 18:36:10] <AMK152> yes, it's just 100 edits altogether
[2016-09-04 18:36:11] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> He never said anything about mainspace.
[2016-09-04 18:36:14] <SpongeFreddy777> 100 for what
[2016-09-04 18:36:15] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:36:19] <Cans48> Edits all together
[2016-09-04 18:36:19] <AMK152> moderator
[2016-09-04 18:36:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Moderator
[2016-09-04 18:36:24] <SpongeFreddy777> agree
[2016-09-04 18:36:34] <AMK152> anything else for moderator?
[2016-09-04 18:36:39] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-09-04 18:36:44] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Is it called Social Moderator?
[2016-09-04 18:36:47] <Cans48> Not from me
[2016-09-04 18:36:57] <AMK152> social moderator is an odd term
[2016-09-04 18:37:04] <ZeoSpark> Yeah.
[2016-09-04 18:37:05] <Sixkngdm> I think Chat mod should be renamed to 'Chat Administrator'
[2016-09-04 18:37:07] <Cans48> Sounds fine to me
[2016-09-04 18:37:09] <Cans48> and no
[2016-09-04 18:37:11] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No
[2016-09-04 18:37:13] <Cans48> No admin ithe name
[2016-09-04 18:37:17] <ZeoSpark> Oh heavens now.
[2016-09-04 18:37:19] <ZeoSpark> no*
[2016-09-04 18:37:20] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:37:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Chat Moderator is fine
[2016-09-04 18:37:29] <Sixkngdm> Okay
[2016-09-04 18:37:44] <Sixkngdm> Why no?
[2016-09-04 18:37:46] <AMK152> Assistant requirements: how about 100 edits? Currently, it is 50
[2016-09-04 18:37:52] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:37:56] <Cans48> Raise it to like 200
[2016-09-04 18:38:02] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> or like 300
[2016-09-04 18:38:05] <Nicko756> Yeah, per Cans.
[2016-09-04 18:38:06] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:38:10] <Cans48> wait w
[2016-09-04 18:38:13] <Squiddleward> if we raise it too much, it will cause edit farming
[2016-09-04 18:38:14] <Sixkngdm> It is basically a Adminfor chat
[2016-09-04 18:38:18] <Cans48> we haven't we even voted yet
[2016-09-04 18:38:32] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> If I could suggest one more thing.
[2016-09-04 18:38:36] <AMK152> because the question is unclear
[2016-09-04 18:38:40] <AMK152> yes Brownie?
[2016-09-04 18:39:04] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> For assistant, 100 edits, a minimun of 50 being mainspace.
[2016-09-04 18:39:13] <AMK152> Ok
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[2016-09-04 18:39:24] <AMK152> Assistant: 100 edits (50 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
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[2016-09-04 18:39:27] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:39:28] <TrevorOntario719> Good!
[2016-09-04 18:39:32] <Sixkngdm> No
[2016-09-04 18:39:33] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I like.
[2016-09-04 18:39:34] <Cans48> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:39:39] <Nicko756> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:39:39] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> higher
[2016-09-04 18:39:43] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:39:43] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Spongebob456, Cans48 told you: what the bloody hell?
[2016-09-04 18:39:43] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Spongebob456, Cans48 told you: pip pip cheerio
[2016-09-04 18:39:47] <TrevorOntario719> wait no higher
[2016-09-04 18:39:48] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:39:53] <AMK152> Assistant: 150 edits (75 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
[2016-09-04 18:39:54] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:39:58] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:39:59] <Sixkngdm> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:40:00] <TrevorOntario719> good, maybe higher
[2016-09-04 18:40:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> hiher
[2016-09-04 18:40:01] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> 200?
[2016-09-04 18:40:03] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> higher
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[2016-09-04 18:40:07] <Cans48> A little higher
[2016-09-04 18:40:07] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> 100 mainspace?
[2016-09-04 18:40:13] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:40:18] <AMK152> Assistant: 200 edits (100 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
[2016-09-04 18:40:21] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:40:22] <TrevorOntario719> Good
[2016-09-04 18:40:25] <Cans48> Support
[2016-09-04 18:40:27] <Squiddleward> good
[2016-09-04 18:40:27] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:40:28] <ZeoSpark> That's okay.
[2016-09-04 18:40:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:40:30] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:40:38] <Nicko756> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:40:42] <Squiddleward> we can't raise it too much
[2016-09-04 18:40:48] <AMK152> alright
[2016-09-04 18:40:52] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 18:40:52] <Squiddleward> that would result in edit farming
[2016-09-04 18:40:52] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~560 to log page).
[2016-09-04 18:40:58] <Spongebob456> If Assistant is technically just below Admin it seems a bit low but I'm happy I suppose
[2016-09-04 18:41:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
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[2016-09-04 18:41:47] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Are we moving on to admin requirements?
[2016-09-04 18:41:53] <AMK152> Administrator edit requirements is currently at 0 edits. Given assistant has suggested 200 edits, what shall we do for admin?
[2016-09-04 18:41:58] <TrevorOntario719> 500
[2016-09-04 18:42:00] <TrevorOntario719> 250 mainspace
[2016-09-04 18:42:01] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 700
[2016-09-04 18:42:05] <Nicko756> 500
[2016-09-04 18:42:05] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> 1000. 500 mainspace.
[2016-09-04 18:42:08] <ZeoSpark> I agree with the 500
[2016-09-04 18:42:11] <Spongebob456> 1000
[2016-09-04 18:42:12] <Cans48> Per brownie
[2016-09-04 18:42:15] <Sixkngdm> ^
[2016-09-04 18:42:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per SB456
[2016-09-04 18:42:22] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:42:38] <AMK152> Administrator: 400 edits (200 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
[2016-09-04 18:42:41] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:42:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> higher
[2016-09-04 18:42:44] <TrevorOntario719> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:42:44] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:42:44] <Cans48> higher
[2016-09-04 18:42:45] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:42:47] <Nicko756> Higher.
[2016-09-04 18:42:49] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:42:52] <Sixkngdm> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:42:56] <AMK152> Administrator: 500 edits (250 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
[2016-09-04 18:42:58] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:43:00] <Nicko756> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:43:00] <Sixkngdm> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:02] <TrevorOntario719> Good, maybe higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:02] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Higher.
[2016-09-04 18:43:02] <ZeoSpark> Yep.
[2016-09-04 18:43:03] <Cans48> higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:04] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:05] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:09] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:43:16] <AMK152> Administrator: 600 edits (300 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
[2016-09-04 18:43:17] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:43:20] <TrevorOntario719> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:20] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Higher.
[2016-09-04 18:43:20] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:21] <Cans48> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:28] <Nicko756> Lower.
[2016-09-04 18:43:32] <Sixkngdm> Higher 
[2016-09-04 18:43:36] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:43:40] <Sixkngdm> WAY higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:46] <AMK152> Administrator: 700 edits (350 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
[2016-09-04 18:43:49] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:50] <TrevorOntario719> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:52] <Cans48> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:52] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:43:55] <Sixkngdm> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:44:02] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Okay. Maybe higher.
[2016-09-04 18:44:04] <ZeoSpark> Might as well say 1,000 next.
[2016-09-04 18:44:08] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:44:09] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 18:44:12] <Sixkngdm> ^
[2016-09-04 18:44:15] <AMK152> Administrator: 750 edits (375 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
[2016-09-04 18:44:16] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:44:20] <Spongebob456> Higher.
[2016-09-04 18:44:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:44:20] <Sixkngdm> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:44:21] <Cans48> Still higher
[2016-09-04 18:44:28] <ZeoSpark> Like I said, you're better off jut going right to 1,000.
[2016-09-04 18:44:28] <Nicko756> Just skip to 1,000.
[2016-09-04 18:44:31] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:44:32] <Sixkngdm> Please go WAY higher
[2016-09-04 18:44:37] <SpongeFreddy777> higher
[2016-09-04 18:44:38] <AMK152> Administrator: 1,000 edits (500 mainspace) - lower, good, or higher?
[2016-09-04 18:44:39] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:44:41] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:44:41] <Squiddleward> good
[2016-09-04 18:44:41] <Cans48> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:44:48] <SpongeFreddy777> good
[2016-09-04 18:44:51] <Spongebob456> Good
[2016-09-04 18:44:51] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> good
[2016-09-04 18:44:56] <Sixkngdm> Good
[2016-09-04 18:44:57] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:45:28] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Shall we move on to crat requirements?
[2016-09-04 18:45:30] <AMK152> Add this to bureaucrat requirements:
[2016-09-04 18:45:30] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:45:30] <AMK152> User must have a clean block record for at least three (3) months, not counting invalid blocks.
[2016-09-04 18:45:34] <AMK152> THoughts?
[2016-09-04 18:45:35] <TrevorOntario719> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:45:39] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 18:45:39] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~91 to log page).
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[2016-09-04 18:45:43] <Nicko756> Yes
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[2016-09-04 18:45:44] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-09-04 18:45:47] <Spongebob456> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:45:47] <Sixkngdm> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:45:48] <Cans48> Hm. A little too high
[2016-09-04 18:45:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I would say more months but yes
[2016-09-04 18:45:52] <ZeoSpark> Yeah.
[2016-09-04 18:45:52] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:45:54] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:46:03] <AMK152> Change 3 months: Higher, lower, or good?
[2016-09-04 18:46:05] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:46:06] <TrevorOntario719> Good
[2016-09-04 18:46:08] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> good
[2016-09-04 18:46:09] <Nicko756> I have to go soon. I may come back later on.
[2016-09-04 18:46:09] <Cans48> Lower
[2016-09-04 18:46:09] <Spongebob456> Higher actually
[2016-09-04 18:46:10] <ZeoSpark> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:46:10] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Higher.
[2016-09-04 18:46:14] <Sixkngdm> Good
[2016-09-04 18:46:18] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:46:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> actually higher
[2016-09-04 18:46:27] <AMK152> Change to 4 months: Higher, lower, or good?
[2016-09-04 18:46:30] <TrevorOntario719> Lower
[2016-09-04 18:46:32] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:46:33] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Higher. Crat is an important position. A year of clean record.
[2016-09-04 18:46:34] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:46:35] <Cans48> Lower
[2016-09-04 18:46:37] <Sixkngdm> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:46:39] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> A year
[2016-09-04 18:46:39] <TrevorOntario719> Actually higher
[2016-09-04 18:46:42] <ZeoSpark> Unsure.
[2016-09-04 18:46:43] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:46:48] <AMK152> Change to 6 months: Higher, lower, or good?
[2016-09-04 18:46:50] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 18:46:51] <Spongebob456> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:46:51] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> higher
[2016-09-04 18:46:52] <TrevorOntario719> Higher
[2016-09-04 18:46:53] <Nicko756> Higher.
[2016-09-04 18:46:54] <ZeoSpark> 6 months is fair.
[2016-09-04 18:46:54] <Cans48> Lower
[2016-09-04 18:46:57] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Higher.
[2016-09-04 18:47:01] <TheThomas5252> Good
[2016-09-04 18:47:01] <Sixkngdm> Good
[2016-09-04 18:47:03] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:47:04] <Cans48> change mine to good
[2016-09-04 18:47:09] <AMK152> Change to 1 year: Higher, lower, or good?
[2016-09-04 18:47:12] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> good
[2016-09-04 18:47:13] <TrevorOntario719> GOOD
[2016-09-04 18:47:13] <Nicko756> Change to good actually.
[2016-09-04 18:47:13] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:47:14] <Cans48> Good
[2016-09-04 18:47:16] <Spongebob456> Good
[2016-09-04 18:47:19] <ZeoSpark> Seems way too high...
[2016-09-04 18:47:19] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:47:20] <Sixkngdm> Good actually
[2016-09-04 18:47:23] <Squiddleward> good
[2016-09-04 18:47:39] <Nicko756> Lower.
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[2016-09-04 18:48:03] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> A year is good. Its the most important right
[2016-09-04 18:48:08] <TrevorOntario719> Per Brick
[2016-09-04 18:48:10] <Spongebob456> Zeo: How can we appoint a crat who's been blocked within the last 6 months?
[2016-09-04 18:48:10] <AMK152> Bureaucrat edit requirement: 2,000 edits (1,000 mainspace) - higher, good, or lower?
[2016-09-04 18:48:15] <Spongebob456> Good
[2016-09-04 18:48:15] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Good.
[2016-09-04 18:48:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> good
[2016-09-04 18:48:19] <ZeoSpark> Good
[2016-09-04 18:48:19] <TrevorOntario719> GOOD
[2016-09-04 18:48:20] <Cans48> Good
[2016-09-04 18:48:25] <Sixkngdm> Good
[2016-09-04 18:48:26] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:48:29] <Sixkngdm> no higher
[2016-09-04 18:48:32] <Cans48> ◾b. User must have at least 2,000 edits, of which at least 1,000 are main namespace edits.  
[2016-09-04 18:48:34] <Sixkngdm> no nvm
[2016-09-04 18:48:36] <Cans48> It already is pne
[2016-09-04 18:48:36] <Sixkngdm> good
[2016-09-04 18:48:38] <AMK152> Anything else on requirements?
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[2016-09-04 18:48:49] <SpongeFreddy777> no
[2016-09-04 18:48:49] <AMK152> !update logs
[2016-09-04 18:48:50] <TrevorOntario719> No
[2016-09-04 18:48:54] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 18:48:55] <AMK152> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 18:48:55] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~86 to log page).
[2016-09-04 18:48:56] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> AMK152: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~1 to log page).
[2016-09-04 18:48:59] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 18:48:59] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TheOneFootTallBrickWall: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~3 to log page).
[2016-09-04 18:49:01] <AMK152> lol
[2016-09-04 18:49:04] <TrevorOntario719> lol
[2016-09-04 18:49:04] <Sixkngdm> Stop
[2016-09-04 18:49:10] <Cans48> lnl
[2016-09-04 18:49:11] <ZeoSpark> Awey...that lagged my chat...
[2016-09-04 18:49:12] <AMK152> ok, if there is nothing else on requirements, move on to next topic
[2016-09-04 18:49:16] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ok
[2016-09-04 18:49:19] <Cans48> Ok good 
[2016-09-04 18:49:21] <SpongeFreddy777> k
[2016-09-04 18:49:32] <Sixkngdm> Good
[2016-09-04 18:49:44] <AMK152> Thoughts on questions for all promotion requests?
[2016-09-04 18:49:44] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:49:44] <AMK152> :*1. Why do you believe you are qualified to be promoted to <position>?
[2016-09-04 18:49:44] <AMK152> :*2. Have you had experience with this position before?
[2016-09-04 18:49:44] <AMK152> :*3. What are your best contributions to Encyclopedia SpongeBobia and why?
[2016-09-04 18:49:44] <AMK152> :*4. How do you plan to use your rights if your request is successful?"
[2016-09-04 18:49:44] <AMK152> :*5. Have you been in a situation in which you needed the user rights for <position> at that moment but were unable to act?
[2016-09-04 18:49:44] <AMK152> :*6. Anything else you want to add?
[2016-09-04 18:49:50] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-09-04 18:49:51] <TrevorOntario719> s'good
[2016-09-04 18:49:53] <Nicko756> Sounds good.
[2016-09-04 18:49:55] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:49:55] <Sixkngdm> Good
[2016-09-04 18:49:58] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Love the idea.
[2016-09-04 18:49:59] <Squiddleward> good
[2016-09-04 18:49:59] <Spongebob456> Good
[2016-09-04 18:50:00] <ZeoSpark> It's okay.
[2016-09-04 18:50:00] <Cans48> I don't want questions
[2016-09-04 18:50:06] <Cans48> So I don't like the idea
[2016-09-04 18:50:07] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:50:07] <TrevorOntario719> Per Choco
[2016-09-04 18:50:16] <AMK152> Anything to be added to questions?
[2016-09-04 18:50:19] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no
[2016-09-04 18:50:22] <Cans48> Remove all questions
[2016-09-04 18:50:23] <Sixkngdm> Nah
[2016-09-04 18:50:24] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-09-04 18:50:26] <TrevorOntario719> Nope
[2016-09-04 18:50:27] <Cans48> There shouldn't be any.
[2016-09-04 18:50:40] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:50:47] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I like the wuestions
[2016-09-04 18:50:53] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> questions*
[2016-09-04 18:50:55] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I have to go for now. I'll check the logs on the convention.
[2016-09-04 18:50:56] <AMK152> Should we have questions for specific positions, or just those for all?
[2016-09-04 18:51:04] <SpongeFreddy777> those for all
[2016-09-04 18:51:04] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> For specific
[2016-09-04 18:51:05] <Cans48> No questions at all.
[2016-09-04 18:51:12] <Spongebob456> All
[2016-09-04 18:51:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> actually all
[2016-09-04 18:51:20] <Spongebob456> well, at least admin/crat
[2016-09-04 18:51:29] <TrevorOntario719> I say we have 1 question specific for each Position
[2016-09-04 18:51:36] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Trevor
[2016-09-04 18:51:38] <Nicko756> Specific
[2016-09-04 18:51:43] <SpongeFreddy777> ^
[2016-09-04 18:51:44] <ZeoSpark> Specific?
[2016-09-04 18:51:50] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> for that right
[2016-09-04 18:51:51] <Sixkngdm> Per Trevor
[2016-09-04 18:51:56] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> they are applying for
[2016-09-04 18:52:00] <Cans48> No questions at all imo
[2016-09-04 18:52:02] <AMK152> How about we have these questions for all, and we think about the specific questions for the next convention meeting?
[2016-09-04 18:52:09] <Spongebob456> sure
[2016-09-04 18:52:11] <ZeoSpark> I agree on that.
[2016-09-04 18:52:12] <Nicko756> Okay.
[2016-09-04 18:52:13] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> sure
[2016-09-04 18:52:18] <Sixkngdm> * How can you make change for <position>
[2016-09-04 18:52:18] <TrevorOntario719> I agree
[2016-09-04 18:52:19] <Cans48> I don't want questions at all but k
[2016-09-04 18:52:27] <Sixkngdm> Like that
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[2016-09-04 18:52:53] <AMK152> Anything else on questions or requests in general?
[2016-09-04 18:52:59] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-09-04 18:53:02] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> nope
[2016-09-04 18:53:04] <Sixkngdm> No
[2016-09-04 18:53:06] <Cans48> There should be no questions ata ll
[2016-09-04 18:53:07] <ZeoSpark> Nah.
[2016-09-04 18:53:10] <AMK152> Ok
[2016-09-04 18:53:13] <ZeoSpark> Cans, just move on.
[2016-09-04 18:53:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 18:53:18] <Cans48> Move on?
[2016-09-04 18:53:23] <Cans48> What does that mean?
[2016-09-04 18:53:27] <AMK152> Next is Discussions
[2016-09-04 18:53:37] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> We need a limit
[2016-09-04 18:53:38] <ZeoSpark> You kept saying "Remove questions' when we are already past that.
[2016-09-04 18:53:46] <AMK152> yes Brick
[2016-09-04 18:53:48] <Cans48> WE weren't already past that.
[2016-09-04 18:53:55] <TrevorOntario719> Per Logan
[2016-09-04 18:54:04] <ZeoSpark> Who's Logan?
[2016-09-04 18:54:06] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Me
[2016-09-04 18:54:07] <TrevorOntario719> Brick
[2016-09-04 18:54:15] <AMK152> These are to address the issue with the large amount of discussions by 1) allowing more flexibility in closing requests and 2) shortening time
[2016-09-04 18:54:17] <Nicko756> Yes, I agree with having a limit,
[2016-09-04 18:54:29] <ZeoSpark> Definitely a limit. Too many discussions is hard to keep up with.
[2016-09-04 18:54:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes AMK
[2016-09-04 18:54:36] <TrevorOntario719> We need a limit.
[2016-09-04 18:54:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> but we need like only 12 at a time
[2016-09-04 18:54:43] <TrevorOntario719> There are like 21 discussions
[2016-09-04 18:54:44] <Sixkngdm> We need a limit
[2016-09-04 18:54:44] <Cans48> I did make a discussion about this topic, but withdrew it.
[2016-09-04 18:54:48] <Nicko756> 5 days for concerns, and 5 days for voting is my suggestion.
[2016-09-04 18:54:57] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> 5 days is a lot
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[2016-09-04 18:55:00] <TrevorOntario719> Also there has to be a limit of how many discussions a user can have at a time.
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[2016-09-04 18:55:04] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 18:55:05] <ZeoSpark> Not really.
[2016-09-04 18:55:07] <Nicko756> Better than 10
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[2016-09-04 18:55:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> well yeah
[2016-09-04 18:55:19] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> bur
[2016-09-04 18:55:19] <AMK152> There are 17 discussions.
[2016-09-04 18:55:26] <ZeoSpark> 3 days is too short unless there is no concerns.
[2016-09-04 18:55:27] <AMK152> First topic is speeding up voting part
[2016-09-04 18:55:31] <AMK152> How about this:
[2016-09-04 18:55:31] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:55:31] <AMK152> In the case of discussions with overwhelming support, a proposal may end after three (3) days of discussion if both of the following are true:
[2016-09-04 18:55:31] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:55:31] <AMK152> i. A majority of administrators support the proposal.
[2016-09-04 18:55:31] <AMK152> ii. The discussion has 90% or more support.
[2016-09-04 18:55:38] <TrevorOntario719> I agree
[2016-09-04 18:55:40] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-09-04 18:55:44] <Spongebob456> Yeah
[2016-09-04 18:55:46] <ZeoSpark> Yeah.
[2016-09-04 18:55:47] <Cans48> Ok
[2016-09-04 18:55:52] <AMK152> that way we can cut some discussions from 10 to 3 days
[2016-09-04 18:55:58] <Sixkngdm> Ya
[2016-09-04 18:56:00] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:56:02] <Nicko756> Okay.
[2016-09-04 18:56:09] <AMK152> Likewise, the other way:
[2016-09-04 18:56:09] <AMK152> 
[2016-09-04 18:56:09] <AMK152>  In the case of discussions with overwhelming opposition, a proposal may end after three (3) days of discussion if both of the following are true:
[2016-09-04 18:56:09] <AMK152> i. A majority of administrators oppose the proposal.
[2016-09-04 18:56:09] <AMK152> ii. The discussion has 90% or more in opposition.
[2016-09-04 18:56:18] <Cans48> es
[2016-09-04 18:56:19] <Sixkngdm> I think we should change percentages for requests 
[2016-09-04 18:56:20] <TrevorOntario719> I agree
[2016-09-04 18:56:20] <Cans48> yes
[2016-09-04 18:56:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-09-04 18:56:26] <SpongeFreddy777> yes
[2016-09-04 18:56:28] <Squiddleward> yes
[2016-09-04 18:56:29] <Cans48> that should also be true for reuqests
[2016-09-04 18:56:31] <Nicko756> Ok
[2016-09-04 18:56:31] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-09-04 18:56:33] <AMK152> STOP
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[2016-09-04 18:56:52] <Sixkngdm> Like bump it up to atleast 85%
[2016-09-04 18:57:12] <AMK152> 85% for what?
[2016-09-04 18:57:18] <Cans48> requestrs
[2016-09-04 18:57:22] <ZeoSpark> We moved past requests already though. This is about discussions now.
[2016-09-04 18:57:26] <Sixkngdm> Request
[2016-09-04 18:57:33] <AMK152> Zeo is right
[2016-09-04 18:57:37] <Sixkngdm> Ah, darn
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[2016-09-04 18:58:01] <TrevorOntario719> Zeo is very right
[2016-09-04 18:58:07] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Zeo
[2016-09-04 18:58:08] <SpongeFreddy777> yeah
[2016-09-04 18:58:09] <AMK152> Ok, currently, the systems is at maximum: 10 days for concerns, 10 days for voting - higher, lower, or good?
[2016-09-04 18:58:13] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> lower
[2016-09-04 18:58:13] <TrevorOntario719> LOWER
[2016-09-04 18:58:16] <Nicko756> Lower
[2016-09-04 18:58:18] <Squiddleward> lower
[2016-09-04 18:58:20] <Cans48> lower
[2016-09-04 18:58:24] <Sixkngdm> Lower
[2016-09-04 18:58:29] <Sixkngdm> WAY lower
[2016-09-04 18:58:30] <ZeoSpark> I'd say lower.
[2016-09-04 18:58:32] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 18:58:46] <AMK152> remember we are also adding exceptions so some voting stages could take 3 days
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[2016-09-04 18:59:00] <AMK152> How about this: 7 days for concerns, 7 days for voting - higher, lower, or good?
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[2016-09-04 18:59:02] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> lower
[2016-09-04 18:59:07] <TrevorOntario719> Good
[2016-09-04 18:59:08] <Cans48> lower
[2016-09-04 18:59:10] <AMK152> that eliminates 6 days, by the way
[2016-09-04 18:59:13] <AMK152> I say it's good
[2016-09-04 18:59:13] <Sixkngdm> Lower
[2016-09-04 18:59:27] <Sixkngdm> Actually
[2016-09-04 18:59:29] <Sixkngdm> Good
[2016-09-04 18:59:36] <Nicko756> Lower
[2016-09-04 18:59:39] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-09-04 18:59:41] <Cans48> 5 for concerns 5 for voting
[2016-09-04 18:59:46] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 18:59:49] <Nicko756> Yes.
[2016-09-04 18:59:52] <Sixkngdm> Yes
[2016-09-04 18:59:53] <AMK152> How about this. What if we also add that if a concerns stage has concerns but no one brings anything new after 2 days, it can move on for voting?
[2016-09-04 18:59:58] <TrevorOntario719> Yes
[2016-09-04 19:00:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-09-04 19:00:00] <AMK152> that way we can still have thorough discussions
[2016-09-04 19:00:04] <ZeoSpark> Agreed.
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[2016-09-04 19:00:06] <Cans48> Ok good
[2016-09-04 19:00:10] <Sixkngdm> Yes
[2016-09-04 19:00:10] <Nicko756> Ok
[2016-09-04 19:00:15] <AMK152> Good
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[2016-09-04 19:00:32] <Sixkngdm> Welcome to the ESB convention, AustinD-3!
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[2016-09-04 19:00:34] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
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[2016-09-04 19:00:51] <AustinD-3> Convention?
[2016-09-04 19:00:54] <AustinD-3> Oh right!
[2016-09-04 19:00:54] <AMK152> Discussion pass percentage: 70% - lower, higher, or good?
[2016-09-04 19:00:57] <Cans48> This is a convention
[2016-09-04 19:01:00] <TrevorOntario719> Good
[2016-09-04 19:01:02] <Cans48> Good
[2016-09-04 19:01:06] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> goid
[2016-09-04 19:01:06] <Sixkngdm> GOOD
[2016-09-04 19:01:07] <AustinD-3> AMK
[2016-09-04 19:01:08] <Squiddleward> good
[2016-09-04 19:01:09] <AustinD-3> I say lower
[2016-09-04 19:01:11] <Nicko756> Good.
[2016-09-04 19:01:13] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 19:01:19] <Sixkngdm> Oh, 
[2016-09-04 19:01:20] <ZeoSpark> It's good.
[2016-09-04 19:01:21] <AMK152> Ok, anything else on discussions?
[2016-09-04 19:01:26] <Sixkngdm> Sorry for caps!
[2016-09-04 19:01:26] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no
[2016-09-04 19:01:27] <AustinD-3> hmm
[2016-09-04 19:01:30] <AustinD-3> neutrals
[2016-09-04 19:01:34] <TrevorOntario719> Yes
[2016-09-04 19:01:34] <AustinD-3> i think they should be removed
[2016-09-04 19:01:37] <Cans48> no
[2016-09-04 19:01:39] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-09-04 19:01:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no
[2016-09-04 19:01:46] <Sixkngdm> No
[2016-09-04 19:01:47] <ZeoSpark> No way.
[2016-09-04 19:01:47] <Cans48> I think 4 neutrals = 1 oppose
[2016-09-04 19:01:49] <AMK152> Austin, if someone is neutral, we still should see their opinion
[2016-09-04 19:01:50] <TrevorOntario719> I think a person should have a limit on how many active discussions they can have
[2016-09-04 19:01:54] <Sixkngdm> Yes
[2016-09-04 19:01:57] <Sixkngdm> @Cans
[2016-09-04 19:02:05] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> per trev
[2016-09-04 19:02:07] <ZeoSpark> That I agree with.
[2016-09-04 19:02:07] <Squiddleward> neutrals are still good feedback
[2016-09-04 19:02:16] <AMK152> Trevor: we just discussed ideas to speed up discussions, which would remove problems we have been having with amount
[2016-09-04 19:02:30] <AustinD-3> Yeah true, there is always {{Comment}} but yeah.
[2016-09-04 19:02:37] <TrevorOntario719> I guess you're right Andrew
[2016-09-04 19:02:41] <AustinD-3> AMK
[2016-09-04 19:02:45] <Cans48> [15:01:48] Cans48: I think 4 neutrals = 1 oppose
[2016-09-04 19:02:45] <Cans48> What do you think about this?
[2016-09-04 19:02:51] <AustinD-3> Perhaps we could find some code for discussions
[2016-09-04 19:02:52] <AMK152> the problem isn't amount of discussions; the problem is amount of time a discussion is open
[2016-09-04 19:02:54] <TrevorOntario719> Nah
[2016-09-04 19:02:57] <Nicko756> Nah
[2016-09-04 19:03:02] <ZeoSpark> Hm.
[2016-09-04 19:03:03] <AMK152> that's odd, a neutral could be leaning support
[2016-09-04 19:03:07] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> nah
[2016-09-04 19:03:07] <TrevorOntario719> ^
[2016-09-04 19:03:10] <Cans48> well maybe then
[2016-09-04 19:03:11] <TrevorOntario719> @AMK
[2016-09-04 19:03:15] <Sixkngdm> Maybe
[2016-09-04 19:03:17] <Cans48> all neutral leaning towards support
[2016-09-04 19:03:25] <Cans48> 2 nlts = support
[2016-09-04 19:03:28] <AMK152> and it would be basically a 0.25 vote, which gives people who support or oppose more power in voting
[2016-09-04 19:03:33] <Cans48> Ok just nvm
[2016-09-04 19:03:37] <AustinD-3> I think we should on discussions there should be a section where it shows the amount of {{Support}} and {{Oppose}}
[2016-09-04 19:03:37] <Cans48> Bad idea
[2016-09-04 19:03:48] <AustinD-3> e.g.
[2016-09-04 19:03:53] <TrevorOntario719> I agree with Austin
[2016-09-04 19:03:56] <AustinD-3> 2 Support, 1 Oppose. 66% Support.
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[2016-09-04 19:04:01] <Cans48> Maybe
[2016-09-04 19:04:01] <TrevorOntario719> That would be a nice addition.
[2016-09-04 19:04:03] <TrevorOntario719> !updated
[2016-09-04 19:04:03] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: I last updated the logs 3 minutes ago. There are currently ~66 lines in the log buffer.
[2016-09-04 19:04:06] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
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[2016-09-04 19:04:07] <AMK152> that requires updating each time
[2016-09-04 19:04:13] <Sixkngdm> Yes AUSTIN
[2016-09-04 19:04:15] <Cans48> well amk
[2016-09-04 19:04:16] <Nicko756> Yeah, per AMK.
[2016-09-04 19:04:17] <Sixkngdm> *Austin
[2016-09-04 19:04:21] <AustinD-3> we could possibly try and make a code.
[2016-09-04 19:04:24] <Cans48> we need to update the requests every time someone votes
[2016-09-04 19:04:30] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per AM
[2016-09-04 19:04:31] <Cans48> so why not the same with discussions?
[2016-09-04 19:04:31] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> K
[2016-09-04 19:04:32] <AustinD-3> where it would automatically change it.
[2016-09-04 19:04:36] <AMK152> Austin, perhaps you could put something together and create a discussion?
[2016-09-04 19:04:41] <Nicko756> It's already on the request page itself anyway.
[2016-09-04 19:04:44] <Cans48> acutally I have a proposal
[2016-09-04 19:04:47] <AMK152> like show us how it would work and we can discuss it later
[2016-09-04 19:04:49] <TrevorOntario719> yes, Cans?
[2016-09-04 19:05:03] <AustinD-3> Okay, I know a friend who is really cool with coding and he could possibly make a code where it automatically updates.
[2016-09-04 19:05:04] <Cans48> Maybe we should display the voting information on the [[ESB:Discussions]] page
[2016-09-04 19:05:12] <Cans48> like with the requests
[2016-09-04 19:05:16] <TrevorOntario719> That's great, Austin!
[2016-09-04 19:05:17] <AMK152> Ok Austin, that would be great if it is automatic
[2016-09-04 19:05:23] <Cans48> there could be a section of all the ones that go to voting
[2016-09-04 19:05:25] <Sixkngdm> Yes
[2016-09-04 19:05:27] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> good idea
[2016-09-04 19:05:29] <Cans48> and they could have the voting with it
[2016-09-04 19:05:30] <AMK152> if you can get the code together, we can have a discussion
[2016-09-04 19:05:37] <AustinD-3> Okay.
[2016-09-04 19:05:42] <Nicko756> Austin, so votes are crossed out, would it account for that?
[2016-09-04 19:05:47] <Nicko756> *some
[2016-09-04 19:05:58] <AustinD-3> Probably not.
[2016-09-04 19:06:05] <Squiddleward> that's a problem
[2016-09-04 19:06:08] <SpongeFreddy777> !updatelogs
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[2016-09-04 19:06:13] <SpongeFreddy777> yeah per squiddle
[2016-09-04 19:06:15] <AMK152> Cans, if you can come up with a code for that, you can bring that one to discussion too; i think it would be too messy
[2016-09-04 19:06:30] <Cans48> A code for it hm.
[2016-09-04 19:06:34] <Cans48> Ok i'll try
[2016-09-04 19:06:38] <AMK152> like an example so we see how it works
[2016-09-04 19:06:39] <AMK152> ok
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[2016-09-04 19:06:48] <AMK152> Anything else on discussions?
[2016-09-04 19:06:53] <AustinD-3> I'll implement it on my test wiki and test it out once he  possibly makes  it
[2016-09-04 19:06:54] <Nicko756> No.
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[2016-09-04 19:07:02] <AMK152> ok
[2016-09-04 19:07:03] <TrevorOntario719> No.
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[2016-09-04 19:07:04] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Which topic are we on?
[2016-09-04 19:07:08] <TrevorOntario719> Discussions
[2016-09-04 19:07:11] <AustinD-3> if all else fails we could make a template designating a vote change
[2016-09-04 19:07:16] <AustinD-3> instead of crossing it out
[2016-09-04 19:07:25] <AMK152> ok
[2016-09-04 19:07:29] <AMK152> last topic before break is Forums
[2016-09-04 19:07:37] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> k
[2016-09-04 19:07:47] <AMK152> What are everyone's opinions in regards to the massive amount of game activity on the forums?
[2016-09-04 19:07:50] <Cans48> I don't really frequent the forums so I will mostly stay out.
[2016-09-04 19:07:57] <AustinD-3> AMK
[2016-09-04 19:07:57] <TrevorOntario719> I'm fine with it.
[2016-09-04 19:07:58] <AustinD-3> too much
[2016-09-04 19:08:01] <SpongeFreddy777> yeah me too
[2016-09-04 19:08:02] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I'm okay with it.
[2016-09-04 19:08:04] <Squiddleward> i will say the never ending story is really annoying
[2016-09-04 19:08:06] <TrevorOntario719> I never saw any problems with it.
[2016-09-04 19:08:07] <ZeoSpark> You mean like the Hurt/Heals?
[2016-09-04 19:08:08] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> im ok
[2016-09-04 19:08:11] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> I'm fine with it
[2016-09-04 19:08:15] <ZeoSpark> The neverending story is pretty bothersome.
[2016-09-04 19:08:15] <AustinD-3> users are making tons of edits just replying on the game threads
[2016-09-04 19:08:15] <Sixkngdm> I think we  need to make a template for hurt and heal's
[2016-09-04 19:08:16] <Nicko756> The forum games are fine.
[2016-09-04 19:08:18] <SpongeFreddy777> im fine tbh
[2016-09-04 19:08:22] <SpongeFreddy777> !updatelogs
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[2016-09-04 19:08:28] <AMK152> ok
[2016-09-04 19:08:28] <TrevorOntario719> I'm only annoyed with Never ending Stories because of how much Zootopia is in it
[2016-09-04 19:08:29] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 19:08:31] <AustinD-3> Squiddle pm
[2016-09-04 19:08:31] <Cans48> The hurt and heal amount is too big
[2016-09-04 19:08:37] <Sixkngdm> Like the discussion box
[2016-09-04 19:08:38] <SandySquirrel> D:
[2016-09-04 19:08:58] <AMK152> Thoughts about this: A forum for archived ESB- related threads (requests, discussions, meetings, etc) so they are moved from the general board?
[2016-09-04 19:09:06] <Cans48> Please remember that we are in a discussion, so not regular chatting will happen [[User:SandySquirrel|SandySquirrel]]
[2016-09-04 19:09:12] <AustinD-3> Yeah.
[2016-09-04 19:09:12] <TrevorOntario719> Per Liam.
[2016-09-04 19:09:16] <Cans48> hm?
[2016-09-04 19:09:17] <SandySquirrel> sorry
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[2016-09-04 19:09:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yea
[2016-09-04 19:09:46] <AMK152> Anyone else?
[2016-09-04 19:09:56] <SpongeFreddy777> i don't think xo
[2016-09-04 19:09:57] <SpongeFreddy777> so
[2016-09-04 19:10:01] <Cans48> [15:09:13] TrevorOntario719: Per Liam.
[2016-09-04 19:10:01] <Cans48> For what?
[2016-09-04 19:10:09] <TrevorOntario719> "Please remember that we are in a discussion, so not regular chatting will happen SandySquirrel"
[2016-09-04 19:10:19] <Cans48> oh that
[2016-09-04 19:10:21] <AMK152> ok, anything else on forums?
[2016-09-04 19:10:27] <Cans48> not from me
[2016-09-04 19:10:28] <AustinD-3> AMK: I think we could make another wiki for game threads (however I proposed that already and it failed.)
[2016-09-04 19:10:32] <Sixkngdm> We should have a thing called 'archived', where if a forum thread hasn't been posted on for up to 5 months, It gets protected and put into a category called 'Archived forums 
[2016-09-04 19:10:32] <TrevorOntario719> Hurt or Heal Cartoon Edition 2 should be discontinued
[2016-09-04 19:10:35] <SpongeFreddy777> not from me
[2016-09-04 19:10:44] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per trev
[2016-09-04 19:10:50] <SpongeFreddy777> nicko what do you think about that
[2016-09-04 19:10:50] <AustinD-3> Oh AMK
[2016-09-04 19:10:53] <Nicko756> I disagree with a forum archive.
[2016-09-04 19:10:54] <AustinD-3> I know there is a code
[2016-09-04 19:10:55] <AMK152> Six: we may want more than 1 archived thread so they are not all together
[2016-09-04 19:10:57] <Cans48> lets go to break
[2016-09-04 19:10:58] <AustinD-3> i just need to find it
[2016-09-04 19:11:13] <Nicko756> It would be too messy.
[2016-09-04 19:11:14] <Cans48> can we? 3:11 - 3:21 or something
[2016-09-04 19:11:19] <AMK152> we can have a discussion on that
[2016-09-04 19:11:24] <Sixkngdm> Okay
[2016-09-04 19:11:32] <AMK152> ANything else on forums?
[2016-09-04 19:11:32] <AustinD-3> there is a code where a thread automatically locks if it has not been replied on in a certain amount of months,.
[2016-09-04 19:11:34] <AustinD-3> thoughts?
[2016-09-04 19:11:40] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Yes.
[2016-09-04 19:11:42] <TrevorOntario719> Yes.
[2016-09-04 19:11:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> goo
[2016-09-04 19:11:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> d
[2016-09-04 19:11:45] <AMK152> I like the idea, Austin
[2016-09-04 19:11:46] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> yes
[2016-09-04 19:11:52] <SpongeFreddy777> like CC? @Austin
[2016-09-04 19:11:52] <AMK152> if you find the code, can you create a discussion?
[2016-09-04 19:11:55] <TrevorOntario719> ^
[2016-09-04 19:11:56] <Squiddleward> well that would get rid of necroposting entirely
[2016-09-04 19:11:57] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> However, considering game threads.
[2016-09-04 19:12:02] <AustinD-3> Yes @AMK
[2016-09-04 19:12:06] <AMK152> Excellent
[2016-09-04 19:12:09] <Cans48> I will start making the thing for discussions.
[2016-09-04 19:12:13] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yay
[2016-09-04 19:12:15] <AMK152> looks like the idea is very favorable
[2016-09-04 19:12:15] <Sixkngdm> That is EXACTLY what I said
[2016-09-04 19:12:17] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I would say that we should allow them here. They make the wiki more fun.
[2016-09-04 19:12:19] <TrevorOntario719> Hurt or Heals should be limited to Regular and Tournament.
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[2016-09-04 19:12:27] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> nah
[2016-09-04 19:12:46] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 19:12:46] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~68 to log page).
[2016-09-04 19:12:49] <AMK152> we can discuss the game threads later; if you have an idea to address any issues, you can bring it up
[2016-09-04 19:12:50] <Sixkngdm> I just pratically said what Austin just said
[2016-09-04 19:12:53] <Squiddleward> never ending story is really annoying, it's the same 2-3 people talking about zootopia
[2016-09-04 19:12:58] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 19:13:00] <Sixkngdm> That wasn't fair
[2016-09-04 19:13:00] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> yeah
[2016-09-04 19:13:03] <TrevorOntario719> Per Squiggle.
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[2016-09-04 19:13:11] <Cans48> Squiggle?
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[2016-09-04 19:13:13] <Sixkngdm> Guys
[2016-09-04 19:13:17] <AMK152> I would also say if an admin feels a game thread is out of control, they have the discretion to close it
[2016-09-04 19:13:20] <Squiddleward> now i have to add squiggle to my ping phrases
[2016-09-04 19:13:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Like go to the zootopia chat
[2016-09-04 19:13:24] <Sixkngdm> I just said the code thing
[2016-09-04 19:13:29] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> If it gets tedious, the owner can choose to close it/
[2016-09-04 19:13:37] <SpongeFreddy777> why squiddle
[2016-09-04 19:13:39] <TrevorOntario719> AMK, isn't that what happened with Season 7 Hurt or Heal?
[2016-09-04 19:13:40] <Sixkngdm> LOL, @Squiddle
[2016-09-04 19:13:46] <SpongeFreddy777> pm me the reason if you want
[2016-09-04 19:13:50] <ZeoSpark> Isn't this all off topic?
[2016-09-04 19:13:51] <TrevorOntario719> We shut it down because of Ohmyheck
[2016-09-04 19:13:56] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 19:13:57] <ZeoSpark> Or we're on break?
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[2016-09-04 19:14:02] <Sixkngdm> GUYS
[2016-09-04 19:14:12] <AMK152> ok, break for 10 minutes, reconvene at 3:26 PM eastern
[2016-09-04 19:14:14] <Sixkngdm> I just said the same thing Austin said
[2016-09-04 19:14:16] <Cans48> good
[2016-09-04 19:14:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Yay
[2016-09-04 19:14:21] <Cans48> I will start now on it
[2016-09-04 19:14:21] <ZeoSpark> Okay.
[2016-09-04 19:14:21] <TrevorOntario719> hooray 
[2016-09-04 19:14:22] <Sixkngdm> and you all supported
[2016-09-04 19:14:25] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> !seenon
[2016-09-04 19:14:26] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TheOneFootTallBrickWall: !seen enabled
[2016-09-04 19:14:32] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 19:14:32] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~38 to log page).
[2016-09-04 19:14:33] <Sixkngdm> I had already said it
[2016-09-04 19:14:36] <AMK152> Six: Austin said abotu a code that closes threads after a certain number of days, nit moving to an archive forum
[2016-09-04 19:14:41] <ZeoSpark> Er...you shouldn't turn it on now Brick.
[2016-09-04 19:14:44] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> oh
[2016-09-04 19:14:46] <Squiddleward> !seenoff
[2016-09-04 19:14:46] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Squiddleward: !seen disabled
[2016-09-04 19:14:46] <AustinD-3> !seenofff
[2016-09-04 19:14:53] <Sixkngdm> It is pratically the same
[2016-09-04 19:14:56] <ZeoSpark> It's only a 10 miniute break.
[2016-09-04 19:14:56] <Sixkngdm> But okay
[2016-09-04 19:14:59] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Anyway
[2016-09-04 19:14:59] <Squiddleward> no it's not
[2016-09-04 19:15:01] <ZeoSpark> minute*
[2016-09-04 19:15:16] <TrevorOntario719> Hey, can someone do an IP check on GeorgeTheDallasCowboy?
[2016-09-04 19:15:16] <SpongeFreddy777> how long is the break
[2016-09-04 19:15:21] <TrevorOntario719> I think he's Jordan2001
[2016-09-04 19:15:24] <AMK152> 9 more minutes
[2016-09-04 19:15:24] <TrevorOntario719> 10 minutes
[2016-09-04 19:15:36] <Sixkngdm> It is actually GeorgeBushJr
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[2016-09-04 19:15:41] <TrevorOntario719> He changed his name
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[2016-09-04 19:15:42] <Squiddleward> he changed his name
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[2016-09-04 19:15:46] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
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[2016-09-04 19:15:51] <Squiddleward> but it doesn't matter anymore
[2016-09-04 19:15:54] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 19:15:55] <Squiddleward> that's all been dealt with
[2016-09-04 19:16:00] <AustinD-3> http://clubpenguin.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:42930
[2016-09-04 19:16:08] <AustinD-3> I know a code exists like that
[2016-09-04 19:16:11] <AustinD-3> I just cant find it.
[2016-09-04 19:16:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Jordan has been blocked forever
[2016-09-04 19:16:21] <Squiddleward> ask someone on that wiki
[2016-09-04 19:16:24] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> They do that with blogs on CC/
[2016-09-04 19:16:26] <TrevorOntario719> I do not like Club Penguin
[2016-09-04 19:16:30] <SpongeFreddy777> afk
[2016-09-04 19:16:42] <SpongeFreddy777> wait its break right
[2016-09-04 19:16:57] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Squiddle show us your art
[2016-09-04 19:16:59] <AMK152> yes
[2016-09-04 19:17:08] <SpongeFreddy777> yeah squiddle show us
[2016-09-04 19:17:19] <Squiddleward> http://squiddleward.tumblr.com/post/149864284750/tpaes-entropy-after-she-realizes-blendin-isnt
[2016-09-04 19:17:54] <AustinD-3> squiddle pm
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[2016-09-04 19:18:14] <Cans48> coral
[2016-09-04 19:18:22] <Squiddleward> http://squiddleward.tumblr.com/post/149583844905/a-lot-of-you-liked-this-dumb-headcanon-so-i-made-a
[2016-09-04 19:18:35] <Squiddleward> captain TUFF GURL
[2016-09-04 19:18:50] <TrevorOntario719> what do you guys think of SJW's?
[2016-09-04 19:18:50] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Your arts the best
[2016-09-04 19:18:53] <TrevorOntario719> ^
[2016-09-04 19:18:58] <Cans48> a-lot-of-you-liked-this-dumb-headcanon-so-i-made-a
[2016-09-04 19:19:05] <TrevorOntario719> the heck
[2016-09-04 19:19:08] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I need to start fanon again.
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[2016-09-04 19:19:19] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I was planning to in Summer, but look at me now.
[2016-09-04 19:19:22] <TrevorOntario719> wb
[2016-09-04 19:19:22] <SpongeFreddy777> break time nicko
[2016-09-04 19:19:27] <TrevorOntario719> I made fan fiction in school
[2016-09-04 19:19:27] <SpongeFreddy777> wb btw
[2016-09-04 19:19:36] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 19:19:36] <TrevorOntario719> it was about Misty being hypnotized by Brock
[2016-09-04 19:19:36] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~63 to log page).
[2016-09-04 19:19:37] <TrevorOntario719> to kill Ash
[2016-09-04 19:19:46] <TrevorOntario719> and then she finds out and kills Brock
[2016-09-04 19:19:54] <TrevorOntario719> and then she drowns herself
[2016-09-04 19:19:57] <AMK152> there is so much to talk about in these meetings, we are just getting started. We haven't even talked about content and formatting
[2016-09-04 19:19:58] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Isn't Brock a good guy?
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[2016-09-04 19:20:05] <TrevorOntario719> eh, I hate them all
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[2016-09-04 19:20:11] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> So long AMK lol
[2016-09-04 19:20:16] <TrevorOntario719> I hate the show in general, the games are better
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[2016-09-04 19:20:23] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> When are we ending?
[2016-09-04 19:20:24] <Squiddleward> https://67.media.tumblr.com/c31deef0fce8d0434f131db38a557b95/tumblr_ocft9jAPEk1uejd82o1_400.png
[2016-09-04 19:20:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> for the day
[2016-09-04 19:20:29] <TrevorOntario719> 3:26
[2016-09-04 19:20:32] <TrevorOntario719> oh
[2016-09-04 19:20:32] <TrevorOntario719> nvm
[2016-09-04 19:20:41] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> AMK, are you going to put up the new requirements for admins/mods/assistants/etc for discussion/
[2016-09-04 19:20:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> IMG Squiddle
[2016-09-04 19:20:49] <AustinD-3> brownie
[2016-09-04 19:20:52] <AustinD-3> what are they
[2016-09-04 19:20:55] <AMK152> yes, I will write that up and post it for discussion
[2016-09-04 19:20:55] <AustinD-3> i came late
[2016-09-04 19:20:59] <AMK152> much of what we discussed
[2016-09-04 19:21:03] <TrevorOntario719> Did we talk about Badges?
[2016-09-04 19:21:10] <AMK152> not yet
[2016-09-04 19:21:11] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> kinda
[2016-09-04 19:21:19] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> one time
[2016-09-04 19:21:20] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Not really.
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[2016-09-04 19:21:21] <AMK152> 3 minutes
[2016-09-04 19:21:23] <TrevorOntario719> wait we didnt
[2016-09-04 19:21:24] <TrevorOntario719> why
[2016-09-04 19:21:34] <TrevorOntario719> Also Tasks should make a comeback
[2016-09-04 19:21:35] <AMK152> because there are many other things to talk about
[2016-09-04 19:21:38] <AustinD-3> there is already a discussion going on it too
[2016-09-04 19:21:42] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> We went over user rights
[2016-09-04 19:21:50] <TrevorOntario719> But badges are the biggest problem here. At least one of them.
[2016-09-04 19:22:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> and requirements
[2016-09-04 19:22:08] <SpongeOddFan> HEY
[2016-09-04 19:22:11] <SpongeOddFan> *hey
[2016-09-04 19:22:12] <TrevorOntario719> !tell Depth_Strider_10 Hey bro
[2016-09-04 19:22:18] <SpongeOddFan> it's been a long time AMK
[2016-09-04 19:22:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Tell is off
[2016-09-04 19:22:23] <Squiddleward> https://67.media.tumblr.com/89fd9e9fc9ccd48586619337c547a00c/tumblr_ocnvejkqcp1uejd82o1_400.png
[2016-09-04 19:22:25] <AMK152> hello
[2016-09-04 19:22:25] <AustinD-3> what are the proposed requirements though?
[2016-09-04 19:22:32] <TrevorOntario719> Sponge, have we met?
[2016-09-04 19:22:32] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> !logs
[2016-09-04 19:22:32] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TheOneFootTallBrickWall: Logs can be seen [[Project:Chat/Logs|here]].
[2016-09-04 19:22:35] <TrevorOntario719> I think we have.
[2016-09-04 19:22:41] <SpongeOddFan> 3mins til wat?
[2016-09-04 19:22:47] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Metting resumes
[2016-09-04 19:22:51] <AMK152> break over and we return to meeting
[2016-09-04 19:22:52] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> meeting
[2016-09-04 19:22:59] <AMK152> 1 minute
[2016-09-04 19:23:00] <TrevorOntario719> I still remember back when I was as mature as Jackbradley
[2016-09-04 19:23:05] <TrevorOntario719> I made a death joke once here
[2016-09-04 19:23:05] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Same
[2016-09-04 19:23:11] <TrevorOntario719> Cost me a chat mod request
[2016-09-04 19:23:15] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no death jokes though
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[2016-09-04 19:23:18] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 19:23:18] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~65 to log page).
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[2016-09-04 19:23:20] <AustinD-3> can someone please PM me the User Right Requirement Proposal?
[2016-09-04 19:23:26] <TrevorOntario719> wb Deja and Cans
[2016-09-04 19:23:30] <SpongeOddFan> whoa hold on a min
[2016-09-04 19:23:32] <Cans48> thanks
[2016-09-04 19:23:34] <Nicko756> You can check the logs.
[2016-09-04 19:23:36] <SpongeOddFan> you still have meeting?!
[2016-09-04 19:23:37] <AustinD-3> okay
[2016-09-04 19:23:38] <SpongeOddFan> lol
[2016-09-04 19:23:39] <Squiddleward> there's a meeting
[2016-09-04 19:23:39] <AustinD-3> !logs
[2016-09-04 19:23:39] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> AustinD-3: Logs can be seen [[Project:Chat/Logs|here]].
[2016-09-04 19:23:53] <Squiddleward> if you only want to casually chat, then leave
[2016-09-04 19:23:55] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Austin.
[2016-09-04 19:23:57] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 19:24:00] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I can send what I remember.
[2016-09-04 19:24:02] <SpongeFreddy777> go on spongebobia wiki
[2016-09-04 19:24:04] <AMK152> SOF: this is our second meeting this year. We stopped doing meetings for a long time, nearly 2 years.
[2016-09-04 19:24:12] <TrevorOntario719> I remember being to one
[2016-09-04 19:24:14] <TrevorOntario719> 2 years back
[2016-09-04 19:24:17] <TrevorOntario719> at SpongeBobia Wiki
[2016-09-04 19:24:18] <AMK152> it's time
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[2016-09-04 19:24:22] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> K
[2016-09-04 19:24:22] <TrevorOntario719> That's how long I've been here
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[2016-09-04 19:24:25] <AMK152> MEETING RESUMES
[2016-09-04 19:24:27] <Nicko756> Okay.
[2016-09-04 19:24:28] <Cans48> good
[2016-09-04 19:24:34] <TrevorOntario719> I thought we had 2 minutes
[2016-09-04 19:24:35] <AMK152> okay, so I saved the best topic for last
[2016-09-04 19:24:36] <SpongeFreddy777> ok
[2016-09-04 19:24:36] <SpongeOddFan> i thought spongebobia  still exist?
[2016-09-04 19:24:40] <AMK152> and best, I mean most controversial
[2016-09-04 19:24:42] <AMK152> Badges
[2016-09-04 19:24:45] <TrevorOntario719> YES
[2016-09-04 19:24:46] <Cans48> Remove them
[2016-09-04 19:24:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Disable
[2016-09-04 19:24:50] <Sixkngdm> Oh god
[2016-09-04 19:24:53] <Squiddleward> get badges out of my face
[2016-09-04 19:24:56] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 19:24:57] <TrevorOntario719> Remove them. Replace them with Tasks.
[2016-09-04 19:24:59] <SpongeFreddy777> ^^^
[2016-09-04 19:25:01] <TrevorOntario719> Bring Tasks back.
[2016-09-04 19:25:05] <Sixkngdm> ^^^
[2016-09-04 19:25:06] <Nicko756> We having a discussion about it. Why do we need to discuss it?
[2016-09-04 19:25:06] <Spongebob456> Remove badges
[2016-09-04 19:25:06] <Cans48> No no no
[2016-09-04 19:25:07] <AMK152> Poll of those here on badges: Keep or Disable? Vote.
[2016-09-04 19:25:08] <Cans48> get rid of tasks
[2016-09-04 19:25:08] <AustinD-3> Keep them.
[2016-09-04 19:25:10] <SpongeFreddy777> whats a task
[2016-09-04 19:25:11] <Cans48> we don't need them
[2016-09-04 19:25:12] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Remove
[2016-09-04 19:25:13] <ZeoSpark> Taske never caught on.
[2016-09-04 19:25:14] <Cans48> Disable
[2016-09-04 19:25:16] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> keep
[2016-09-04 19:25:20] <Spongebob456> Disable
[2016-09-04 19:25:21] <Sixkngdm> Can we bring Spongebucks back?
[2016-09-04 19:25:24] <Nicko756> The poll is the discussion itself. It's 50/50.
[2016-09-04 19:25:25] <TrevorOntario719> Disable. Disable. DISABLE.
[2016-09-04 19:25:25] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> They encourage newer users, but we could get a better system.
[2016-09-04 19:25:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Disable
[2016-09-04 19:25:29] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 19:25:46] <AustinD-3> Per Nicko.
[2016-09-04 19:25:47] <Squiddleward> get rid of them, replace them with the satisfaction of helping the wiki grow
[2016-09-04 19:25:54] <Spongebob456> I have to go - will catch up with the logs
[2016-09-04 19:25:54] <ZeoSpark> I'm actually working on something a little better.
[2016-09-04 19:25:55] <Squiddleward> because that's all you should be editing for
[2016-09-04 19:25:56] <AMK152> Choose one: Keep badges, Replace with new system, or just disable badges?
[2016-09-04 19:25:58] <SpongeOddFan> aplogize folks
[2016-09-04 19:25:59] <AMK152> Vote
[2016-09-04 19:26:02] <TrevorOntario719> New system
[2016-09-04 19:26:02] <AustinD-3> Keep
[2016-09-04 19:26:05] <Squiddleward> disable
[2016-09-04 19:26:06] <SpongeFreddy777> just disable
[2016-09-04 19:26:06] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> keep
[2016-09-04 19:26:06] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Disable
[2016-09-04 19:26:08] <SpongeOddFan> i' haven't been here for a long time
[2016-09-04 19:26:09] <TrevorOntario719> or revive Tasks
[2016-09-04 19:26:10] <Nicko756> Keep.
[2016-09-04 19:26:11] <Cans48> Disable
[2016-09-04 19:26:13] <Sixkngdm> Can we bring Spongebucks back?
[2016-09-04 19:26:15] <TrevorOntario719> ^
[2016-09-04 19:26:16] <Cans48> Don't revive tasks
[2016-09-04 19:26:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 19:26:21] <AMK152> STOP
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[2016-09-04 19:26:30] <AMK152> I never said anything about reviving tasks
[2016-09-04 19:26:33] <AMK152> I said "new system"
[2016-09-04 19:26:39] <AMK152> which could be anything
[2016-09-04 19:26:58] <AustinD-3> hmm
[2016-09-04 19:26:59] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> What happened to Sponge Tokens?
[2016-09-04 19:27:02] <AMK152> Yes or no: Replace badges with a better system (we can decide how it works later)?
[2016-09-04 19:27:03] <Sixkngdm> ^^^^^^
[2016-09-04 19:27:06] <TrevorOntario719> abandoned and terminated
[2016-09-04 19:27:08] <AustinD-3> im thinking of a cool system
[2016-09-04 19:27:08] <TrevorOntario719> Yes.
[2016-09-04 19:27:09] <Sixkngdm> @Brownie
[2016-09-04 19:27:16] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I'm neutral, AMK.
[2016-09-04 19:27:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No just disable
[2016-09-04 19:27:21] <ZeoSpark> Already thought ofsomething Austin.
[2016-09-04 19:27:21] <AustinD-3> you get "ESB Bucks" or something
[2016-09-04 19:27:34] <TrevorOntario719> isn't that like SpongeTokens?
[2016-09-04 19:27:37] <AMK152> STOP
[2016-09-04 19:27:38] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I was thinking of starting a discussion too, but I abandoned it.
[2016-09-04 19:27:40] <Nicko756> The "better system," SpongeTokens' failed, so no.
[2016-09-04 19:27:42] <AustinD-3> where you can get CSS things. (like a different color comment box)
[2016-09-04 19:27:53] <AMK152> Should we have an awards system at all? Yes or no?
[2016-09-04 19:27:57] <Cans48> No
[2016-09-04 19:27:59] <SpongeOddFan> do i know you, TrevorOntario719?
[2016-09-04 19:27:59] <AustinD-3> awards?
[2016-09-04 19:27:59] <Squiddleward> no
[2016-09-04 19:28:00] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> No
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[2016-09-04 19:28:05] <AustinD-3> like "best Editor"
[2016-09-04 19:28:14] <AMK152> like anything
[2016-09-04 19:28:15] <Cans48> that is uotm austin
[2016-09-04 19:28:16] <AustinD-3> or "Best Admin" ?
[2016-09-04 19:28:17] <Sixkngdm> I said that
[2016-09-04 19:28:21] <Sixkngdm> No one liked it
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[2016-09-04 19:28:24] <ZeoSpark> No way.
[2016-09-04 19:28:28] <AustinD-3> Ah. Neutral.
[2016-09-04 19:28:29] <AMK152> UOTM doesn't count, it's its own thing
[2016-09-04 19:28:31] <ZeoSpark> That will cause a lot of conflict.
[2016-09-04 19:28:40] <TrevorOntario719> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 19:28:40] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> TrevorOntario719: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~131 to log page).
[2016-09-04 19:28:50] <ZeoSpark> UOTM is already sorta causing problems.
[2016-09-04 19:28:58] <AMK152> OK, it seems people may or may not be open to a new system. It probably depends on what we come up with.
[2016-09-04 19:29:00] <SpongeFreddy777> NO WAY
[2016-09-04 19:29:06] <AMK152> Zeo, do you want to explain your idea?
[2016-09-04 19:29:06] <AustinD-3> hm
[2016-09-04 19:29:10] <SpongeFreddy777> not best admin/best editor
[2016-09-04 19:29:20] <AustinD-3> how about "User of The Year" maybe?
[2016-09-04 19:29:24] <AustinD-3> where all 12 UOTM are placed into a vote
[2016-09-04 19:29:29] <TrevorOntario719> nah
[2016-09-04 19:29:32] <Sixkngdm> Yah
[2016-09-04 19:29:33] <AustinD-3> and users vote on that.
[2016-09-04 19:29:39] <AMK152> interesting, Austin
[2016-09-04 19:29:39] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> yes
[2016-09-04 19:29:52] <Nicko756> If its like SpongeTokens, it will probably be abandoned within a few months, just like before.
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[2016-09-04 19:30:02] <ZeoSpark> Bascially, it will be something like SpongeTokens but a different name. The plan is to use actual prizes like gift cards or something like that.
[2016-09-04 19:30:05] <Nicko756> Austin: Nah.
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[2016-09-04 19:30:17] <Squiddleward> we don't need rewards
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[2016-09-04 19:30:29] <Squiddleward> the reward is the satisfaction of improving the wiki
[2016-09-04 19:30:30] <TrevorOntario719> it is interesting, but it should be something implanted in the code.
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[2016-09-04 19:30:33] <Squiddleward> that's all i need
[2016-09-04 19:30:43] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I don't like the idea much, Austin.
[2016-09-04 19:30:47] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Sorry.
[2016-09-04 19:31:03] <AustinD-3> Zeo
[2016-09-04 19:31:05] <AMK152> the main thing is, badges are very controversial, and those who want to get rid of it can't seem to do so and there is basically no compromise and one side loses completely
[2016-09-04 19:31:18] <AustinD-3> Where would we get funds though?
[2016-09-04 19:31:20] <ZeoSpark> There will be ways to gain these points but also to lose them. Don't want users that are trolling to be able to keep their points if they do at one point.
[2016-09-04 19:31:23] <Sixkngdm> I want Spongetokens back
[2016-09-04 19:31:36] <AMK152> SpongeTokens were hard to keep track of
[2016-09-04 19:31:53] <TrevorOntario719> yes
[2016-09-04 19:31:54] <AMK152> Does anyone else have any ideas for an alternative rewards system?
[2016-09-04 19:31:57] <Nicko756> test
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[2016-09-04 19:32:12] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I was thinking another rewards system, which may cause some controversy.
[2016-09-04 19:32:14] <Nicko756> No.
[2016-09-04 19:32:16] <ZeoSpark> Like I said, I'm still trying to sort things out.
[2016-09-04 19:32:19] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> So IDK.
[2016-09-04 19:32:25] <Sixkngdm> Maybe we could have different userboxes
[2016-09-04 19:32:30] <TrevorOntario719> choco, what's your idea?
[2016-09-04 19:32:33] <Sixkngdm> So it is like badges
[2016-09-04 19:32:41] <Sixkngdm> And it will say
[2016-09-04 19:32:48] <AMK152> well, if you have an idea, perhaps we could discuss it
[2016-09-04 19:33:02] <AMK152> otherwise we are going to have the same conversation on badges in a few months
[2016-09-04 19:33:27] <Nicko756> !updatelogs
[2016-09-04 19:33:27] <SpongeBobiaChatBot> Nicko756: [[Project:Chat/Logs|Logs]] updated (added ~50 to log page).
[2016-09-04 19:33:36] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Basically, we just do something like with those challenges we get, if we do succeed it, the user who contributed the most to accomplish it, gets some reward.
[2016-09-04 19:33:48] <AMK152> interesting
[2016-09-04 19:33:49] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> We dont need a reward
[2016-09-04 19:33:49] <ZeoSpark> I'll just give out the ideas later. I'm still trying to get a table sorted and everything.
[2016-09-04 19:34:15] <TrevorOntario719> I have an idea for such rewards
[2016-09-04 19:34:19] <TrevorOntario719> extra voter points
[2016-09-04 19:34:23] <Nicko756> No 
[2016-09-04 19:34:25] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> No.
[2016-09-04 19:34:26] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> no
[2016-09-04 19:34:28] <Cans48> No
[2016-09-04 19:34:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no
[2016-09-04 19:34:30] <AMK152> If we had a system, we would need to make sure of the following:
[2016-09-04 19:34:30] <AMK152> 1. Easy to manage
[2016-09-04 19:34:30] <AMK152> 2. Effective for encouraging good contributions
[2016-09-04 19:34:30] <AMK152> 3. Difficult to cheat (edit farm, etc.)
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[2016-09-04 19:34:34] <AustinD-3> AMK
[2016-09-04 19:34:34] <Squiddleward> this isn't a game
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[2016-09-04 19:34:39] <AustinD-3> I found a code to lock threads
[2016-09-04 19:34:43] <AMK152> Squiddle is right
[2016-09-04 19:34:48] <ZeoSpark> Yep. I definitely have a plan for that.
[2016-09-04 19:35:00] <AMK152> Austin, does it just lock them after a given amount of time?
[2016-09-04 19:35:01] <ZeoSpark> Like I said, if you try to cheat, you will lose the points.
[2016-09-04 19:35:20] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Squiddle
[2016-09-04 19:35:21] <AustinD-3> AMK
[2016-09-04 19:35:23] <AustinD-3> you can set it
[2016-09-04 19:35:33] <AustinD-3> so 90 days would be what we'd put in.
[2016-09-04 19:35:36] <AMK152> send me a link in Skype
[2016-09-04 19:35:39] <Nicko756> Zeo: How can you cheat?
[2016-09-04 19:35:53] <TrevorOntario719> edit farm
[2016-09-04 19:35:57] <TrevorOntario719> idk
[2016-09-04 19:36:10] <AMK152> rewards for number of edits allows people to edit farm
[2016-09-04 19:36:11] <AustinD-3> I can pm it to you?
[2016-09-04 19:36:13] <AMK152> like badges
[2016-09-04 19:36:13] <AustinD-3> My skype is not working at the moment.
[2016-09-04 19:36:14] <ZeoSpark> Not cheat specifically. Like if you obviously edit farm to get these points, you will lose them instead.
[2016-09-04 19:36:14] <AMK152> sure
[2016-09-04 19:36:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> when is this ending?
[2016-09-04 19:36:19] <Nicko756> As long as you complete the task, you would get the points right?
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[2016-09-04 19:36:35] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> I like the idea
[2016-09-04 19:36:38] <Squiddleward> here's the thing, at least for me
[2016-09-04 19:36:45] <Squiddleward> i'm not good with competitive things
[2016-09-04 19:36:48] <Squiddleward> like, at all
[2016-09-04 19:36:52] <ZeoSpark> Yep @Nicko
[2016-09-04 19:37:21] <Squiddleward> just saying i may not want to edit here anymore if there's competitive stuff going on
[2016-09-04 19:37:22] <ChocolateBrownieBoy>  The games and all, make editing more fun for new users.
[2016-09-04 19:37:23] <ZeoSpark> I'll be managing these since I'm the one that's giving the points away so it's not like I can earn any or anything.
[2016-09-04 19:37:28] <Nicko756> To be honest, I think this would be popular for several months, before people lost intrest, and eventually abandon it.
[2016-09-04 19:37:31] <AMK152> I am kind of developing an idea in my mind, but it's not completely thought out yet
[2016-09-04 19:37:48] <TrevorOntario719> the only idea I have is to try SpongeBob Universe again
[2016-09-04 19:37:48] <Nicko756> It's the same thing that happened to SpongeTokens.
[2016-09-04 19:37:51] <TrevorOntario719> and thats a bad idea
[2016-09-04 19:37:53] <AMK152> something that would be easy to manage, difficult to cheat, and more effective
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[2016-09-04 19:38:01] <AMK152> something totally different from SpongeTokens
[2016-09-04 19:38:22] <Nicko756> We have the Tasks forum board.
[2016-09-04 19:38:28] <AMK152> Trevor: we are nowhere close to even discussing that. There is much work to be done at ESB
[2016-09-04 19:38:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> The thing is people will find a way to cheat and it will be badges all over again
[2016-09-04 19:38:32] <ZeoSpark> It won't be like SpongeTokens. I'll try to get everything sorted later.
[2016-09-04 19:38:37] <AustinD-3> This is why I like badges.
[2016-09-04 19:38:38] <AustinD-3> Nobody has to manage them.
[2016-09-04 19:38:49] <Nicko756> Yeah.
[2016-09-04 19:38:50] <AMK152> well badges can be abused
[2016-09-04 19:38:54] <ZeoSpark> But there isn't any fun in earning badges anymore.
[2016-09-04 19:38:58] <TrevorOntario719> ^
[2016-09-04 19:38:59] <SpongeFreddy777> yeah
[2016-09-04 19:39:01] <ZeoSpark> They're jut...there.
[2016-09-04 19:39:05] <ZeoSpark> just*
[2016-09-04 19:39:08] <AMK152> I'm on monobook, so I don't even see the leaderboard :P
[2016-09-04 19:39:13] <Nicko756> Don't forget, blocked users are removed from the leaderboard.
[2016-09-04 19:39:16] <AustinD-3> I dont know though.
[2016-09-04 19:39:23] <TrevorOntario719> it gets boring once you have already got all the badges
[2016-09-04 19:39:27] <TrevorOntario719> and the only badges you can get
[2016-09-04 19:39:27] <AustinD-3> Perhaps we could implement Zeo's proposal with badges?
[2016-09-04 19:39:31] <Squiddleward> i agreed with one of the concerns, that badges are more for new/developing wikis
[2016-09-04 19:39:32] <ZeoSpark> But when the block ends Nicko...
[2016-09-04 19:39:32] <TrevorOntario719> are like 500 edit ones
[2016-09-04 19:39:37] <TrevorOntario719> or lucky ones
[2016-09-04 19:39:40] <ZeoSpark> Boom! They're back.
[2016-09-04 19:39:44] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Per Squiddle
[2016-09-04 19:39:44] <AMK152> well if anyone has any ideas for a better system, send me a message and we can try to put together a proposal and see what everyone thinks
[2016-09-04 19:39:58] <AustinD-3> E.g you legit earn a badge, so you get SpongeTokens.
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[2016-09-04 19:40:11] <AustinD-3> or whatever Zeo's proposal is.
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[2016-09-04 19:40:24] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I'm thinking just block badge farmers for a short time.
[2016-09-04 19:40:27] <AMK152> Squiddle: exactly. ESB is well established. We have quantity, we just need quality. And badges do not help quality.
[2016-09-04 19:40:34] <TrevorOntario719> ^
[2016-09-04 19:40:38] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> ^
[2016-09-04 19:40:50] <TrevorOntario719> We're one of the biggest wikis out there.
[2016-09-04 19:40:51] <AustinD-3> Guys, thoughts on my proposal?
[2016-09-04 19:40:57] <SpongeFreddy777> {{Support}}
[2016-09-04 19:40:59] <AMK152> how do you know if someone is badge farming?
[2016-09-04 19:41:00] <TrevorOntario719> We've been used by many people left and right.
[2016-09-04 19:41:01] <SpongeFreddy777> dammit
[2016-09-04 19:41:08] <AMK152> what if they didn't know they were doing it?
[2016-09-04 19:41:11] <ZeoSpark> We can discuss something Austin if you want.
[2016-09-04 19:41:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> [12:41:09] AMK152: what if they didn't know they were doing it?
[2016-09-04 19:41:17] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> True
[2016-09-04 19:41:17] <SpongeFreddy777> AMK, warning
[2016-09-04 19:41:22] <AustinD-3> Keep badges, implement Zeo's proposal, and merge them.
[2016-09-04 19:41:32] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Disable badges
[2016-09-04 19:41:35] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> Period.
[2016-09-04 19:41:35] <Nicko756> AMK: If someone is constantly removing and adding a period on the same article.
[2016-09-04 19:42:03] <AMK152> that's obvious, but what about the less obvious?
[2016-09-04 19:42:03] <AustinD-3> so if you LEGIT earn a badge, you get the tokens.
[2016-09-04 19:42:03] <AustinD-3> which can be used to buy things.
[2016-09-04 19:42:13] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> a
[2016-09-04 19:42:14] <AMK152> buy what?
[2016-09-04 19:42:18] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> we are not a store
[2016-09-04 19:42:21] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Well that's the thing. 
[2016-09-04 19:42:22] <Sixkngdm> Wait'
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[2016-09-04 19:42:31] <Sixkngdm> We are STILL on badges
[2016-09-04 19:42:33] <AustinD-3> from Zeo's proposal
[2016-09-04 19:42:34] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Badge farming issues have occured.
[2016-09-04 19:42:35] <AMK152> they only thing that should be honored is improving the wiki
[2016-09-04 19:42:38] <Sixkngdm> I was eating corn
[2016-09-04 19:42:41] <Nicko756> If it's not obvious, then there's probably nothing wrong with their edits.
[2016-09-04 19:42:43] <AustinD-3> where you can buy gift cards or something
[2016-09-04 19:42:44] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> When they do, just warn the user.
[2016-09-04 19:42:59] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> Then  a block if it continues.
[2016-09-04 19:43:06] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> we are not a store
[2016-09-04 19:43:11] <AMK152> they could be sneaky with their edits
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[2016-09-04 19:43:39] <AMK152> Does anyone else have anything to say on badges before moving on?
[2016-09-04 19:43:42] <Nicko756> As long as they are improving the article, then they did nothing wrong.
[2016-09-04 19:43:43] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> no
[2016-09-04 19:43:45] <TrevorOntario719> Not really.
[2016-09-04 19:43:55] <AMK152> ok, anything else that should be discussed?
[2016-09-04 19:43:55] <AustinD-3> Yes.
[2016-09-04 19:44:00] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I agree with Nicko.
[2016-09-04 19:44:02] <Roller_Cowards_Rocks> what?
[2016-09-04 19:44:18] <AMK152> Motion to adjourn?
[2016-09-04 19:44:24] <Cans48> For me yes,
[2016-09-04 19:44:26] <TrevorOntario719> I guess so
[2016-09-04 19:44:29] <Cans48> Yea
[2016-09-04 19:44:29] <TheOneFootTallBrickWall> yes
[2016-09-04 19:44:34] <ChocolateBrownieBoy> I guess.
[2016-09-04 19:44:35] <Cans48> Aye
[2016-09-04 19:44:36] <AMK152> Meeting ends 3:44 PM eastern time.

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